Precihole sports Orion(.22),Pegasus(.177),Club .177

[brihacharan]

> Are we talking about 2 rifles
1) the original cat-out-of-the-bag, reviewed by Brihacharan and Airgun_Novice, among others, and
2)the one which Brahmastra mentions, to be assembled out of Gamo parts by Mr. Joy Biswas.
> Tell me someone, are we talking about one new rifle, or two of them????

> Looks like Brahmastra shot his missile that went off-course & Joy shot from his hip
> Creating confusion
> There is ONLY one brand of this AR
> In 0.177 cal & 0.22 cal for the launch
> While the calibres remain the same - The AR will be launched with Break Barrel Spring Piston Only -The actions will be added much later - PCP & Nitro Piston
> This Goo Goo / Gaa Gaa about Gamo is all Gas
> This AR will "Match" Gamo, Diana, Theoben & what have you for every single paise that has gone into creating it.
> So No More Speculations or Guessing please.
> Just WAIT for the AR to be launched and experience the marvel yourself - QED
Briha

[brahmastra]

I humbly bow down before 'brahmastra'.

An annecdote I remember which might seem a bit off-topic.

=== Flashback Begins ===

One of the US-settled-Indian-turned-Americans decided to use his expertise acquired over years in his native place in the state of Maharashtra. So one fine day the dude landed with a couple of white American engineers and experts much to the awe and "oohs" & "aahs" of the villagers and village/ district administrators. Now all the visitors were given Class A treatment at all the places; the "Americans" a bit more than the "Indian". So at one time, when the Indian sat on a relatively decent chair and was about to start the meeting with the folks, one of the officials interrupted him and asked him to give the 'decent' chair to one of the two white Americans who was sitting on a slightly off-colored chair and take that chair instead. The Indian obliged without a murmur and the administration official quipped "You should always let the Sahibs - your bosses - take the better chairs. You can stand if you have to." The American in question refused the exchange and when the Indian dude translated what the official said from Marathi to English for his benefit, both the white Americans seemed even more embarrassed. Finally the righteous white American could not take it any more - the experiences over past days must have weighed down on his conscience. He spoke - and the same Indian official translated into Marathi for the village folks - "Both of us, white Americans, that you see work for our INDIAN BOSS. We work for him. We report to him. He OWNS the company in which we work. He brought us along as his employees to work on this project for you." One can only imagine how stunned the village folks and the district administration officials would have been. It was beyond them to even comprehend that an INDIAN could own a company in the US and have White American ("foreigner") folks to work for him...

=== End of Flashback ===

I am back to wondering - *** "IMPORTED FROM GAMO ?" Could it be the other way round ? ***

hello airgun novice

yur story was quite inspiring. well it could have been much more better if it would have been the other way round. but again there r thousands of things which we make better than they do ('goras'). they r importing that from us and they do admit that we make it better than they do. as far as guns r concerned they make it better than us i am sure u will admit that.then why not appreciate that craftmanship.lets come out of this inferiority complex n stop cooking up stories of the goras n the desis, which makes it more obvious to the world that we r still suffering from mental trauma. instead we should start producing quality goods and stop this nagging like "Could it be the other way round". only then we will be able to learn from others n at the same time we will be able to share things which we know better.
with all due regards please don't take it otherwise, n lets stop criticizing each others which we have been doing for ages -the only reason why we still say "Could it be the other way round"

[brahmastra]

"Looks like Brahmastra shot his missile that went off-course & Joy shot from his hip"


n mr. brihacharan please don't be so sure about solid, liquid n gas unless the rifle is out in the market. i just told what mr. joy told me :about the new rifle with gamo parts. there was no fabrication in it. as far as the confusion regarding 2 rifles : i don't know which rifle u r talkin about.
one more thing u being such a senior member i do expect better choice of words from u which other junior members can follow.
regards

[brihacharan]

"Looks like Brahmastra shot his missile that went off-course & Joy shot from his hip"


n mr. brihacharan please don't be so sure about solid, liquid n gas unless the rifle is out in the market. i just told what mr. joy told me :about the new rifle with gamo parts. there was no fabrication in it. as far as the confusion regarding 2 rifles : i don't know which rifle u r talkin about.
one more thing u being such a senior member i do expect better choice of words from u which other junior members can follow.
regards

> Let me up-date you up a bit..... I HAVE HANDLED & TEST FIRED THE ARs not Once but several times!!!!
> I know what I am talking about....
> As far as the "Choice of Words" are concerned - I am sorry that your level of understanding & appreciating them need up-grading - may be then you'll know what I am talking about
> I'll not come down - You come up Will do you a world of good!
Briha

[brahmastra]

point taken mr. briha. u surely do have tons of experience from which i want to benefit.
but it will be really, nearly impossible for me to reach the level u r already in. please forgive me for that as i do not intend to reach that height. i like to stay on ground n keep my chances of learning open.
anyway if i annoyed u in any manner i really do apologize.

[airgun_novice]

Dear brahmastra,

No need to invoke your almighty power of wrath and destruction - after all, the brahmastra is meant to be launched as a last resort with full control on mind.

Read what brihji and I have written and see "what" of it makes sense. BTW, the annecdote is *not* fictitious. Had you kept your mind open to possibilities you would have seen the light. So what is the logical possibility assuming that we are talking of the same product that .338lapua (who has seen the piece himself) "let out" and even essdee1972 managed to see and handle ? (SD - why the confusion ?)

Why could it not be:
That the products are indeed Made in India but Gamo has shown interest in "acquisition" of the same due to superior quality. You asked me in a rather impudent fashion to check with Joy Biswas - I did not take to the bait - because for me there was no need.

I am sure Mr. Joy Biswas has his facts quite correct as:
1. He is a reputed name in our circle and fraternity and is known to dispense candidly with the truth.
2. He knows the designer-manufacturer personally and professionally.
3. He has seen and handled the product(s) - otherwise he would not have written the short but sweet testimonial.

So is it possible that there was a communication gap between him and you simply because your Joy on hearing the news was so great that you put Biswas on what you heard rather than what was being said ?
(JB - Hope you don't mind this particular play on words )

Should you read the thread in entirety you shall see that Brihji has been privileged to take frequent peeks and also handle the components and the prototypes at different stages of design and manufacture. So to cut the long story short - brihacharan knows what he talks about. Nowhere does it appear that he's insulted you or JB; so your retort to a member like him who is senior in age, experience and contribution to the forum, was totally unjustified.

Hope this clears the air and you allow the dust to settle down ? Now let us all await patiently the positive step(s) India takes forth in AR manufacturing. Countdown's begun.

[brahmastra]

dear airgun_novice
i really do appreciate what u wrote. n i do agree completely to what u said.but mr. joy did told me about gamo ............but i believe in u since u people r involved in the project as stated above...........maybe i heard it wrong.it was just a rush of adrenaline. we are all gun lovers here and really wish to hold proudly an indian made product which is of top quality. actually i am absolutely over exited about the rifle n after learning that it is indian made flabbergasts me more with joy.

mr. brihaji,
no hard feelings mr. brihaji. i really do respect yur experience n age. n i withdraw those harsh words on u.i was actually feeling bad after posting those words.i would continually require yur guidance in this field.
regards

[essdee1972]

AGN, sorry if I added a bit more smoke to the screen. Since I was with you and Briha sir in one of your visits to the maker of the "cat-outta-bag" AR, I am quite familiar with it.

I was thinking for a minute that the AR mentioned by Brahmastra was a parallel, unrelated, development, probably with the involvement of Mr. Biswas. Something like Marconi and JC Bose working on the radio in parallel, totally unbeknownst to each other. Probably the collector's instinct was aroused by the thought of TWO reasonably priced and excellent quality ARs???

[brihacharan]

dear mr. brihaji,
no hard feelings mr. brihaji. i really do respect yur experience n age. n i withdraw those harsh words on u.i was actually feeling bad after posting those words.i would continually require yur guidance in this field.
regards

>Hey Brahmastra! Enough water has flowed both over & under the bridge (meaning much has been talked & discussed on the new AR)
> I can both understand & appreciate your eagerness & enthusiasm in awaiting "A World Standard" product now Made in India.
> You can rest your mind - You have not offended me or my fellow IFGian (AGN) in any way.
> Now let us jointly give credit to the undying passion of the designer & manufacturer of the New AR -
> He is at it 24 x 7 to satisfy our hunger for a World Class product.
Cheers
Briha

[22cal]

He is at it 24 x 7 to satisfy our hunger for a World Class product.

In that case Rs. 10K per pc. will be too less for him.

But unfortunately that is the maximum amount I can spend for a good .177 springer.

[santhosh624]

Hello to all IFGians,

I have been tracking this topic since a month now, and I am loving every bit of it,
the only thing I can say is a great vision by an Indian to make a world class product, and it should be supported by one and all of us in whatever way possible.

Mr. Briha,
I am from Bangalore and its really painful even to find a .177 rifle in any part of the city. I am using a SDB Classic 45 so can't wait for the new rifle and please let me know if this will be available in Bangalore also....

Thanks
Santhosh

[airgun_novice]

[SNIP]Something like Marconi and JC Bose working on the radio in parallel, totally unbeknownst to each other.

Again, a bit off topic -

But Bose had taken lead on wireless, proving to the Fellows Royal by exploding a gunpowder gun in adjoining room without wired connection. Marconi appears to be aware of Bose's lead in wireless as he wanted to seek him out. At a scientific exposition, when Marconi was introduced to Bose by Fermi (or was it Tesla ?), did Bose turn over his entire work on wireless to Marconi and turned to plants and eventually crescograph as he acquired a spiritual bend of mind.

Incidentally Bose was to show that even metal plates showed "dying out rhythms" when swabbed with solutions of poisons, including cyanide solutions; a fact beyond acceptance of Western mind.

Though the world credits only Marconi, the Truth is that Jagdishchandra Bose, an Indian, had taken lead in that field of science which most Indians, thanks to British and European efforts don't even know.

Sorry - just could not stand another suppression of Indian glory.

[moulindu]

Hi all
nice to see some cold breeze in the middle of such heated discussion. my one & only question to Brihaji is that dont u think we have waited too long (i guess more than the premiere of shahrukh movies..... ) should some one be kind enough to us & "take the cat out of the bag" so that can have some peace,coz i cant take it anymore

[Frosty]

we want pics!!! WE want pics !!! We want pics !!!

[22cal]

Today I met Mr. Joy Biswas and asked him about this new rifle.
He said aimco is going to sell this gun online and they will start taking online orders within two weeks. He also assured me that they will sell it on MRP, that is just Rs.8500/-.

It seems Aimco have already placed the order to that new company and waiting for their consignment. Mr. Biswas also told me that there will be no .177s in the first lot, only .22s. Is that so? Why a 'match grade' world class product will come only in .22 caliber?
Brihaji, Dr. Sirsat or anybody can clarify that?

I would like to get my machine from Mr. Joy Biswas, in case he does not get any .177, then it will be a real problem for me.