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Re: Becker BK2 MOD

Post by Rajat » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:33 am

Thanks Marthandan.

You are a source of inspiration for many at IFG :)
marthandan wrote:man...all those tools...guess you could give me a run for my money in the tools section...well almost :wink: :mrgreen:
Maybe you have not seen half of em yet. :wink:
this just hit me...we need to do a collaboration...you, moin and me...what say you guys?
Among the three of us who is going to be doing what ? :D

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Re: Becker BK2 MOD

Post by Rajat » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:41 am

slingshot wrote:Rajat, this is very well crafted work. Very impressed with the fine attention to detail and the deep passion for quality. Not only are the handles well crafted, there is beauty, solidity and simplicity and that oft forgotten sense of harmony....when everything is JUST RIGHT....including the way you have balanced the grains. A massive ovation :)
Thanks slingshot. I truly appreciate your words. Specially so as they come from another knife lover and a person who understands and is in love with the beauty of these objects.

You as a BK2 owner would be able to make out more about the details and proportions from the pictures. :)

Thanks again.

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Re: Becker BK2 MOD

Post by Rajat » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:42 am

@ rraju: Thanks!

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Re: Becker BK2 MOD

Post by Moin. » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:18 am

Rajat wrote:
TC wrote:Great job Rajat .... love the look

I can almost see Moin's platoons... :lol:

:cheers:

TC


Thanks TC!

Moin inspired many of us I guess. :D

Thank You Rajat :D Feels great to get this compliment. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: But It is the master bladessmith Marthandan really who got everyone of us into tinkering and mods.

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Re: Becker BK2 MOD

Post by Moin. » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:21 am

marthandan wrote:this just hit me...we need to do a collaboration...you, moin and me...what say you guys?
Probably three different states :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: , But I am thrilled and honoured at just the thought of working with you and Rajat on something :D :D :D

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Re: Becker BK2 MOD

Post by Moin. » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:25 am

Rajat, you should make many of these now that you have a template ready and sell them. :D :D I am sure a lot of Becker owners here would be interested. :D :D :D Oooh Sheesham Slabs for the Beckers... Naassstyyyy... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Re: Becker BK2 MOD

Post by Moin. » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:27 am

Rajat wrote:Guys thanks for the response on the job.
jonahpach wrote:Hey Rajat, great effort! Those handles look really cool. What kind of wood did you use and what tools? If any.
Thanks, good to hear this from someone who is good at such things too. The wood used is Dalbergia Sissoo commonly known as Sheesham wood. Only the dark heart wood was selected and used for the handles. The sapwood is just plain white in this wood. Yes, I did use some tools see details below.
xl_target wrote:Very Nice Rajat!
That looks professionally done.
Now that’s unusual! I mean to see you in this section :D . Thanks for taking interest and the appreciation. Well not as professionally as I wanted. Took a lot of time and one totally wasted set of handles (the unstained / unfinished one in the pictures above) and another which was not perfect.
I had not set out to make three sets of handles but ended up on getting only the third one good enough to stop and look professionally done. Well, we learn from our mistakes.
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Awesome work Gurudev, What wood is this, how did you manage to get both the slabs perfectly symmetrical and 100% identical to the Micarta Slabs... Is that Burma Teak ?, you used, ...
Thanks buddy! I am glad you like it.
The wood is not Burma teak, although the set of unpolished handles in the above pictures have grains similar to teak but it is not. The wood used is Sheesham wood. Could have used teak but this wood is harder, has beautiful grains and is easy to work with. It is also not as oily as teak is.
The handles are or 100% identical to the micarta slabs but yes they are very close. I mean as close as I could get. How did I manage to do that? A lot of profiling with various tools and sanding, sanding and sanding (filing and sanding). First the two slabs of wood that I used were joined / nailed together and after that I shaped them to get a balanced look on both sides.
PU ??? getting this finish on the slabs would not have been possible without a spray gun and compressor ?
It is possible to use PU and get this finish on these small wood slabs without a spray gun and compressor. These are small enough for streaks and marks not to be visible if done by hand, with a rag. Having said this I have access to a spray gun and chose to do this by hand. This was just a dip in the PU for slightly less than an hour (took it out as the hardener kicked in and it started gelling, had made it with some extra thinner added to delay the gelling) wiped it off, sanding with 320 grit, solvent stain, coat of PU, dry, sanding, another coat, sanding and a final coat of the rubbing compound and buffing with a piece of cloth. It was a long process.
The slabs were dipped as I wanted the PU to penetrate the wood as much as it could for the handles to have the maximum protection against the elements and easy to clean.. Although I doubt if it went in even up to a couple of mm but still it is better than having it on the surface only. This was an unconventional process.
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What did you use to shape the handle slabs ? Dremel ?
No, I do not own or have access to a Dremel. I used a couple of power tools, files and a couple of improvised files (sandpaper nailed on wood shaped to a specific shape and size) with which most of the work was done and sanding paper 60, 80 and 120 grit. Did not go finer than that on the sanding paper.
The main power tool was a grinder which was used to shape the whole thing as close as possible and cut the curves on the sides of the handle and the rest was sanding and filing. Tried to use a router too in some places. The jig saw was used to cut the profile of the inner side.
The thickness and the flat surface on the inside was done with a small belt sander.
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WIP pics please
Sorry not available. Not very patient with all the pictures and stuff. Also it took a few days to complete the final set. Although if you want to see any process in detail let me know and I will do it for you again and send you pictures. Anything for you!
Moin. wrote:Do you have a drill press, I notice the concentric holes for the nut heads to be flush with the slab surface, this is very difficult to do with the conventional power drill without a press unless one is very experienced in wood working :shock: which from the finishing on the handle slabs you ofcourse are !!!!! I am ruling out Dremel as I doubt the chuck accepts bit shafts more than 6mm and the holes are 10mm dia on the Beckers if I'm not mistaken......
You nailed it buddy! This was the toughest part and cost me a good set of handles and another one almost.
I do have some experience with these things and thought it would be easy to do with a regular hand operated drill and after shaping the first set of handles when I was recessing the holes for the bolts and nuts. The larger bit went right through a couple of them. In the beginning what I was trying to do with the nuts was to make small holes and then hammer in the nuts to fix these in. But this was not a good idea too.
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The image given below shows the comparison. The darker handles are the ones with the right holes
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Afterwards I decided to use the same drill bit on both sides to recess the nuts and bolts. For the bolt to pass through in the middle of the larger hole a 5mm bit the size of the bolt was used.
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Well after the first fiasco, did it again but on a fixed / press drill but in the second set of handles only one hole was a bit off centre which was later corrected by using a larger drill bit and sanding it off. The handle still looks good and is perfectly usable but well I had to do another one.
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Then using a complete profile of the blade on another sheet to use as a guide drilled small holes all the way across with a tiny 1.5 mm bit. Perfectly centered. This worked and then the larger holes were drilled using it as a guide.

Another challenge was shaping the handles without scratching the black coating on the blade. Had I stripped it off I would easily have screwed these on and then sanded these to get the exact shape (without the risk of damaging the coating) but here I had to screw and unscrew these a dozen times to check the profile and mark any larger areas off with a paper cutter (blade). I mean cut a line marking the area and then sanded it off.

This is not a 100% DIY job and I definitely needed some help holding the handles in place while drilling etc.

Well the end result was worth all this and I am glad you guys like it!!



Rajat, Thanks really for the exhaustive response. The slabs look simple but I can understand the tremendous skill and patience it took to get this done. :D A standing Ovation from me as well....

P.S: The Emery paper on wooden Dowels is a great idea. :D

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Re: Becker BK2 MOD

Post by Rajat » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:48 pm

Moin, Thanks for your response. I appreciate it. :)

There is no need to waste money on different shapes and sizes of files when working with wood. Just make it out of wood pieces shaped to suit your requirements and fix some sanding paper on it. Nailed or / and glued and you have an effective file ready. The grit may be chosen to suit your requirements too and the sandpaper be changed as and when needed. From blocks for large surface areas to small cylindrical files any type may be made easily.

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Re: Becker BK2 MOD

Post by marthandan » Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:07 pm

this just hit me...we need to do a collaboration...you, moin and me...what say you guys?

Among the three of us who is going to be doing what ? :D
we design it together. one does the profiling and heat treat. the second does the finishing and handle. the third does the sheaths.

we make 3 blades, one for each of us. do we give this a serious thought?
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Re: Becker BK2 MOD

Post by Rajat » Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:44 am

marthandan wrote:
this just hit me...we need to do a collaboration...you, moin and me...what say you guys?

Among the three of us who is going to be doing what ? :D
we design it together. one does the profiling and heat treat. the second does the finishing and handle. the third does the sheaths.

we make 3 blades, one for each of us. do we give this a serious thought?
Although I can do a couple of things from this but I really do not know,it is a very demanding and time consuming process.

Its not often (now) that I take on such jobs all by myself, modding or otherwise. :) Only thing I know is that if we start it we gotta finish it. And get it right.

This time it was your and Moin's influence. I got inspired :D :D

Although I have not made a complete knife all by myself before (well not a fancy one at least) but I have designed a couple and helped in the development of / modification of the designs of a few other models and have worked with / been present when more were made. I used to be regularly involved with these things then as I had a lot of free time. This was around 15-20 years back.

I still have a few of these knives with me.

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Re: Becker BK2 MOD

Post by Moin. » Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:20 am

Check this out, :mrgreen: Got a few solid hardwood flooring samples for a ongoing project, told the vendor not giving back the samples, will make so so many handle slabs :mrgreen: :mrgreen: I'll endevour to try and replicate what you've done so wonderfully :D and I'll be happy if I manage even 50%... Let me complete the Khuk, next is slabs for the BK5....

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Re: Becker BK2 MOD

Post by Rajat » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:10 pm

Moin. wrote: I'll endevour to try and replicate what you've done so wonderfully :D and I'll be happy if I manage even 50%... Let me complete the Khuk, next is slabs for the BK5....
Nice collection of different hardwoods you got there!!

I am sure that we will see a few nice hardwood handles for your Becker very soon :D

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Re: Becker BK2 MOD

Post by Raghavachari » Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:49 pm

Hey Rajat,
Those are beautiful.
I just stripped my BK14 and planning to force a patina. I've also started dabbling in leather sheaths. Making one for a friend's chef blade now. Already made one for the Eskabar. They are a bit "thook-patti" but my excuse is that I have just begun and own no tools. I work entirely by hand so far. No power tools I mean.

Wanted to ask if you could make scales for a knife that doesn't come with them. I've just thrown down for a buck mayo kaala and wanted to fashion decent wood scales for it. I'd love to be one of the first customers for "Rajat Custom Scales" :D What say?

Or even an Moin Rajat Marthandan IFG Custom Blade :D

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Re: Becker BK2 MOD

Post by Rajat » Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:51 am

Raghavachari wrote:Hey Rajat,
Those are beautiful.
I just stripped my BK14 and planning to force a patina.
Thanks!

I was looking at your posts regarding the patina. You may collaborate with our in house expert Moin on the patina and share your experience with each other. :D and and of course all of us here.
Wanted to ask if you could make scales for a knife that doesn't come with them. I've just thrown down for a buck mayo kaala and wanted to fashion decent wood scales for it. I'd love to be one of the first customers for "Rajat Custom Scales" :D What say?
I would like to do it for you and a couple of my other friends here and although I think I will be able to handle most the simple scales but I am not much into Mod or custom jobs and it is very time consuming. Secondly, I am not an expert on such DIY jobs and it could be a trial and error process and might take a couple of set of scales to get it right and therefore a lot of time and patience.

I do not take up any work related to knives or the other stuff that we discuss here on a commercial basis.

However let me know if there is anything else I can help you with or if you have any questions I will be glad to answer these to the best of my knowledge.

Glad to be able to connect with another person with similar interests Raghavachari. :)

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Re: Becker BK2 MOD

Post by Rajat » Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:02 pm

BTW the Buck Mayo Kaala seems to be a nice knife made out of S30V steel and with a nice clean design.

I was looking at the picture and it seems you will not be able to add any scales to this knife if you intend to use the same sheath.

Else it will look beautiful with a custom sheath and scales.

Did you think of cord wrapping the handle?

Having said this I personally do not like cord wrapped handles. The grip is good but it will be very difficult to clean it after it is dirty, which pretty soon it will be if you intend to use it frequently.

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