Farm Hunting

Kumarnishith · Post by **Kumarnishith** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:46 pm

penpusher wrote:Hunting any species protected by the Wild Life Act is illegal, even if the birds/animals have been reared on a farm.Infact even the posession of a protected species is illegal unless there is proper documentation from the wild life dept.Quail reared on farms is not protected as its diff. from the Indian Quail.

Releasing captive animals , without the approval of the Wild Life dept, is an offence. Releasing exotic species is also prohibited.

Take care,
SUkhpreet

I was going through this post and the brilliant idea struck me. Well, my dad and his friends are planning to buy a stretch of land (approx 7 acre) far away from the city and our primary intention is to use it for recreation purpose /weekend gateway. The area around it is scarcely inhabited. We will secure the perimeter by fencing it. I love shooting and would love to go on a hunt one day like many other fellow IFGian but alas as it’s a costly affair (prohibited in India). Going to a foreign land to pursue my dream is currently out of bound for me. Well I too would like to know in detail regarding the legality of this Endeavour! Emu, Turkey, Quail etc are bred in Government poultry/ Animal husbandry farm in our city and there meats are sold for local consumption. Government is also promoting and training interested person in rearing them and setting up poultry farms. I am again repeating the question :deadhorse:

, What if I buy few of these birds and keep them in my farm and later on shoot them with my DBBL/.22 Rifle etc (Anyway I will be slitting their throat and eating them & that would be totally legal as per law

). Since they are within the perimeter of my farm they should be considered captiveand not "released". Is there a mention in any Indian law book regarding what "area in meter square” is considered captive and what is considered an open/free land as far as poultry is considered?

ankur1011111 · Post by **ankur1011111** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:58 am

u will be sued as u cant convince a sarkari person he will lodge a case and u will have to face all legal, media and police issues, dont try this menka gandhi is alive...

Kumarnishith · Post by **Kumarnishith** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:50 am

ankur1011111 wrote:u will be sued as u cant convince a sarkari person he will lodge a case and u will have to face all legal, media and police issues, dont try this menka gandhi is alive...

No offence but IMHO, I don’t think so....That ways I would have never been able to convince the local thana inspector, SP & arms magistrate regarding why I need a licence for NPB Rifle at an age of 26. BTW I got my licence 2 yrs back and right now I am a proud owner of BSA .22 lr Rifle. Is there a law against it?? I am planning to do it inside the wall of my premises. I am not going to invite anyone or will be doing it for commercial purposes. A villager keeps his poultry in his back yard and slaughters it with knife whenever he feels like. I am doing the same thing but with a gun, I guess it’s more humane. Was going through legality and guess what I found..

"Government of India has permitted farming of the domesticated quails for commercial purposes keeping in view of its potential in the country vide. Ministry letter no. 3-22/84-FRN (WL), dated 72/06/1997 and exempted from wild life (protection) Act 1972. The license fee for various business as follows: Farming- Rs 200/-, Trading- Rs 500/-, Catering- Rs 500/- and Hatchery- Rs 1000/-. License will be issued by this organization subject to production of any one of the photo – identity in original."
Source:
http://cpdomumbai.gov.in/quail_turkey.htm

But then,

There's a letter issued by DIG (WL) to Forest secretaries reg. prohibition of farming of Japanese quail
Details of the letter can be found at: http://moef.nic.in/downloads/public-inf ... il-ltr.pdf

But then again,
While hearing a petition filed by Rural Employment and Educational Trust, Justice V Dhanapalan granted an order of injunction restraining the environment ministry from interfering with the business of the petitioner to continue with the business of Japanese quail farming.
Source: http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... -institute

Ok so may be we are not sure about Japanese quail but what about turkeys, fowls, emus, rabbits etc?? Number of State animal husbandry department are promoting their rearing & farming.

I am just talking about possibilities here!!!

-Nishith

shashankspectral · Post by **shashankspectral** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:45 am

you could be booked for cruelty towards animal act or something like that.

Kumarnishith · Post by **Kumarnishith** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:38 am

shashankspectral wrote:you could be booked for cruelty towards animal act or something like that.

Can you elaborate how killing farm reared poultry etc by gun is "cruel" & "different" from slaughtering them by other means?? :deadhorse:

Have you ever witnessed how they slaughter pigs in govt. designated animal husbandry farms?? I have..A leg of one animal would be seized from the screaming pile and it would be pulled down onto its side, while one man knel on it, another cuts the throat. Because pigs have fatty muscle round the throat, bleeding can be slow as the veins do not open wide. The pigs cries out and struggle while bleeding, dying a slow death. Is that not cruel?? Whats wrong if you put a bullet in the head of a captive turkey from 50 yards and then enjoy its meat? I am talking about large private but enclosed area full of woods, bush, grass, etc for poultry to feed, run & hide. I am not promoting hunting.. Am only suggesting a different approach to slaughter farm animal/poultry which might appeal to certain section of people like me and which might be legal. Imagine going out in your own farm with your DBBL/.22 Rifle on a windy winter afternoon. A well fenced private area with thick natural foliage in form of indigenous grass, weeds, trees, rocks,its own watering hole, wood cover etc. Whats wrong if I "slaughter" farm reared poultry from a distance using a licensed gun? Ofcourse if there is a law, specific act prohibiting killing of farm animals with gun then its completely a different matter.

-Nishith

Kazim · Post by **Kazim** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:24 pm

I am amazed to know that we could be booked under cruelty towards animals act if we kill a chicken with a gun shot in its head instead of sliting its throat or just breaking its neck WOW
MERA BHARAT MAHAN

Safarigent · Post by **Safarigent** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:03 pm

its illegal.
please read both the arms act and the wildlife protection act.

Post by **Sakobav** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:53 pm

Buddy

I grew up with BSA 22 LR rifle great gun -- let me warn you other than hunting issue there is a safety concern of discharging a shot in enclosed location without proper back stop there is something call ricochet. These 22 go for a decent distance nearly hit some one years ago when the bullet ricocheted traveled considerable distance and punctured some ones steel utensil who wasnt even in direct line of fire. Got a hiding because some one could nearly got injured fatally - so buddy stick with targets and improve aim LEARN safety rules and imbibe the practice.

Post by **Vikram** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:57 pm

shashankspectral wrote:you could be booked for cruelty towards animal act or something like that.

Any verifiable source to that affect?Thank you.

Best-
Vikram

Post by **Vikram** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:59 pm

Kumarnishith wrote:
shashankspectral wrote:you could be booked for cruelty towards animal act or something like that.

Can you elaborate how killing farm reared poultry etc by gun is "cruel" & "different" from slaughtering them by other means?? Have you ever witnessed how they slaughter pigs in govt. designated animal husbandry farms?? I have..A leg of one animal would be seized from the screaming pile and it would be pulled down onto its side, while one man knel on it, another cuts the throat. Because pigs have fatty muscle round the throat, bleeding can be slow as the veins do not open wide. The pigs cries out and struggle while bleeding, dying a slow death. Is that not cruel?? Whats wrong if you put a bullet in the head of a captive turkey from 50 yards and then enjoy its meat? I am talking about large private but enclosed area full of woods, bush, grass, etc for poultry to feed, run & hide. I am not promoting hunting.. Am only suggesting a different approach to slaughter farm animal/poultry which might appeal to certain section of people like me and which might be legal. Imagine going out in your own farm with your DBBL/.22 Rifle on a windy winter afternoon. A well fenced private area with thick natural foliage in form of indigenous grass, weeds, trees, rocks,its own watering hole, wood cover etc. Whats wrong if I "slaughter" farm reared poultry from a distance using a licensed gun? Ofcourse if there is a law, specific act prohibiting killing of farm animals with gun then its completely a different matter.
-Nishith

Ethically, you make a very good argument for humane slaughter/killing.

However, back to the OP, I would be extremely cautious and would makes sure that what I am doing is covered by all laws.

@Winnie, Any help here?

Best-
Vikram

Biren · Post by **Biren** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:08 am

Nishith,

Issues involved are plenty & any thing which does not fall under prevailing acceptable custom attracts attention which could be positive or negative. This kind of activity of rearing poultry or rabbits & then killing using a gun will attract lots of publicity, offcourse negative. The reasons well:

-How can one shoot domesticated birds even in ones property ?
- What happens if there is accident or whether arrangements like in shooting ranges are made like proper back stop? (Can you fence 7 acres of your property ).
- Whats the fun shooting domesticated animals birds when there is no stalking & the target has lost inhibitions to humans?
- Its time consuming & costly affair (shooting) why not knife, specially when there is quota on ammo in India?
- How one justifys using ammo shooting birds as per new notification, self defence, target practice?
- India arm holder get a license which clearly means arms holder abide by set conditions, so to continue holding that licence. (Plz check your license & arms act)

Forget above, local SHO can book you on grounds of disturbing peace & tranquility, leae alone above ground such as using the weapon for purpose other then it was issued for. You can go & argue before the court that you were mearly shooting domesticted birds in your backyard with your licensed gun. ( I know a person who despite getting life threats provocation has refused to show the bully that he owns a gun as he knows the moment he does, the bully will run to local thana & court asking for confiscating his gun)

Activists will devise ways to book the so called culprit under say:

- Cruelty against animals. Knife 10 cal energy spend, instant death, cheap & method as per custom, no wastage of meat.
- Under Arms Act there is specific purpose license is granted & not for the purpose you plan to use. These kind of acts will make tough for genuine folks to get license.
- Unsound mind, cruel why gun when easy & scientific methods to kill are available. Go & explain to court it gives you immence pleasure shooting live domesticated animals with gun offcourse in your own property.

Despite above if you plan to go ahead, you will find how innovative ppl can be as well how Indian Gov machinery works.

Cheers
Biren

Safarigent · Post by **Safarigent** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:09 pm

You need to make an important difference between fighting for your rights as enshrined under the constitution and under the arms acts and rules; versus trying to do something patently illegal. Do yourself a favour and read the wildlife protection act. It will tell you what the legal definition of hunting is in india. Or do you need someone to spoon feed it to you as well.
All of what you are planning/proposing is illegal. In good faith, i will suggest that you consult a good lawyer and then proceed.

Rajat · Post by **Rajat** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:58 pm

I agree Biren has a point there. In fact a few!

Kumarnishith · Post by **Kumarnishith** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:52 pm

Hmmmm..

I guess I understood what you guys are trying to say..Got to stop fanticicing and start saving up for a hunting trip to Africa!!

tony · Post by **tony** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:31 pm

OK Gentlemen,

I have been looking at this post and the replies for a while now and thought I would put up couple o things that I am aware of.

1) A weapon license application has a "Reason why weapon is required" column. Usually the reason put up by most people applying is for "person protection". If that is the reason that you have applied for an arms license, then it would be wrong and illegal to use the weapon for hunting / shooting animals in your backyard (Unless that animal were threatening to tear you to bits - highly unlikely with quails / emus / pheasants / partridges and the like). A weapon obtained on such a license is ONLY FOR YOUR SELF PRESERVATION!!

2) A fairly high powered air gun is sufficient to kill a chicken and that too without damage to the meat if you get it straight in the head. This is just an observation, not that I am personally interested in popping off chickens with a pellet in the nut.......... just looking at things from a legal standpoint. You can kill a chicken with a stick or a stone or a catapult too. So basically an air / compressed air gun / pistol should do your job.

3) As far as I am aware there are no licenses issued for hunting. (IFG ians Please put me right on this if you know to the contrary).

Cheers
Tony

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