Tips on Pistol Shooting

[tirpassion]

Hi tirpassion,
> Good Luck (Bonne Chance)
> Looking fwd to the details of your experience - will help us learn more!
Briha

Arrey Brihaji, aap to mujhe sharminda kar rahe hain!!!! I am no more than a novice with a bit more experience. I started shooting in november 2006 but I am improving thanks to hvj Guruji, since a bit more than one year. I share the same opinion with dev.

Now, I wonder that you will write to me in French also. Sirji, you must be having millions of cards of surprise for us up your sleeves!!!
Merci beaucoup brihaji, je vais confier plus sur mes capacités que sur ma chance I am sure you will understand what I said.

best regards
tirpassion

[tirpassion]

Dear dev, agn, jitu, ff and others I do not know (Brihaji is excluded as my gyan is incapable of touching his feet)

I recall the post, I had written on the perception of clear stable image, the balance etc. etc. I emphasize that you work hard, hard and harder to get the SA hold drill done to 100% satisfaction and carry on with the fig 8's. This is also the key to your stability. When your eyes, helped by the programed sub conscious mind, will perceive the perfect SA image, you will yourself be stable physically because what you see is also stable. But not for long time because we are human beings. Hence the necessity to let the shot break within 3 to 5 secs in a perfect conditions.
Remember that you train your SA hold for 10 secs. If you are 100% confident that the SA image never distorts within these 10 secs, you should be confident enough to squeeze the trigger in 3-5 secs.
So there are TWO simple things to work on
- 100% SA hold
- 3-5 sec trigger control
in a systematic disciplined manner, step by step which is in fact, your SOA.

I do not mind at all being repetitive . This is how one trains in shooting. Repetitions....

best regards
tirpassion

[tirpassion]

Dear dev,

I had been stupid not to suggest you something...
If you are doing dryfiring at home, do it on a target instead of the white wall and do it with a box drill. Yes, it is not live firing, but you can acquire a lot of confidence from dry firing. You will be able to control your arcs in a better way.
I understand that you have about 7m at home. In that case, use an AR target and do dryfiring on it at 5m distance. The black circle diameter of the AR target is of 3cm and that of an AP target is of 6cm. So proportionally, if you put the AR target at 5m, you will perceive the same image as that of AP at 10m.
Similarly, do your SA hold and the fig 8's on the blank side of the AR target at 5m.

I will still insist you to take some time out and draw the SA image, as you see it in your zone under the black circle, on an AP comp target. It does not have to be a perfect drawing with scales etc, a hand made approx drawing will do. I am sorry to be demanding but I am sure that it will do you no bad . This should be out of memory first. After, I see it (it will reveal a lot of fundamental informations, believe me), it will be either jitu or agn's turn to explain the rest to you over phone because I do not have your contacts. Not everything is possible in writing or rather my writing skills might not help me to explain myself properly .

warm regards
tirpassion

[hvj1]

Guruji,
I do not know if you have time to read. But here is the match analysis of today. Regional championships of 50m FP.
Score: 501/600 and I am not proud of it.
84, 82, 84, 83, 81 & 87.
12/tens, 19/nines, 13/eights, 12/sevens, 3/sixes & 1/four.
The day was perfect. Almost no wind, sunshine and 14/15°C temperature. No excuses there. There was neither that trembling, hand sweating due to the Flight or Fight response. I am being able to control these emotions quite well thanks to the mental exercises suggested by you. No excuses there either... So what went wrong?

The confusion with the zone persists still and the coordination zone/trigger work lacks confidence. I am under the impression that I have a problem in believing/confiding in my own capacities. I am too impressed with my work sometimes (5 sighter shots: 2/10's, 1/9 and 2/8s; the last three shots were the two ten's and the nine) and perhaps doubt whether it is true. This doubt is probably creating the errors. I am a bit confused ...
In any case, the FP season ends for me here. To qualify for the Nationals, the score should have been around 520.

warm regards
tirpassion

Hi Tirpassion,
Is it possible to give me a grouping of the sevens and lower shot positions accurately, as well as if you can tell me which number the shots were and what was the positon of each shot in your shot cycle?
I need to know more, since I cannot accept the fact that you are not shooting above 510. I BELIEVE that you are far more capable than what you are shooting and we need to work on this quite a bit.
Later on, you will need to video shoot your stance , position , gripping from all three sides, we will get to it in detail. In the meantime send me your shot positions etc.
Best Regards.

[tirpassion]

Sir,
I can not have the cards of the already finished matches. What i can do is shoot a match of 60 shots on 3 targets (20 shots on each target). Unluckily, I have access to the 50m range only once a week, on saturdays.
Or else, i can photograph the 6 targets of the match of 23/06 and send them to you with the maximum details possible you have asked for. I think that the targets of the match will reveal better the problems because of the added stress/tension of the match.
Thanks for your help.

best regards
tirpassion

[jitu sati]

hey tir
i will start the four weeks of routine as discussed with special emphasis on the 3-4 seconds shot break box drill. will take one today and will ,let u know the % and the No of 8s
jitu

[dev]

Dear dev,

I had been stupid not to suggest you something...
If you are doing dryfiring at home, do it on a target instead of the white wall and do it with a box drill. Yes, it is not live firing, but you can acquire a lot of confidence from dry firing. You will be able to control your arcs in a better way.
I understand that you have about 7m at home. In that case, use an AR target and do dryfiring on it at 5m distance. The black circle diameter of the AR target is of 3cm and that of an AP target is of 6cm. So proportionally, if you put the AR target at 5m, you will perceive the same image as that of AP at 10m.
Similarly, do your SA hold and the fig 8's on the blank side of the AR target at 5m.

I will still insist you to take some time out and draw the SA image, as you see it in your zone under the black circle, on an AP comp target. It does not have to be a perfect drawing with scales etc, a hand made approx drawing will do. I am sorry to be demanding but I am sure that it will do you no bad . This should be out of memory first. After, I see it (it will reveal a lot of fundamental informations, believe me), it will be either jitu or agn's turn to explain the rest to you over phone because I do not have your contacts. Not everything is possible in writing or rather my writing skills might not help me to explain myself properly .

warm regards
tirpassion

Hi Tir ,

Thank you for your tips. I had the sudden caveman type of 'aha' moment one day when I thought that practice should be as close to the real thing as possible. So I stuck a target up at a door. I will attach the sight picture sketch in the next message. Weekend got strangely busy and I couldn't even pick up the pistol once. Thank you for being demanding, you are too kind to care so much. I will also message my phone number as it will be great to catch up with you.

Warm Regards,

Dev

[tirpassion]

emphasis on the 3-4 seconds shot break box drill.

3-5 sec jitu.

[tirpassion]

hvj Sir,

I am to face a big problem with the 50m range. We do not have a 50m range and we use the nearby indoor military range once a week. It is not a proper range. There is no target puller, no bullet traps, no target holder etc. Even the military personnel rarely use the range. But still, something is better than nothing.
Now because of the lead contamination problems, the Colonel in charge of the military base has decided to close it definitely from 31st July 2012 onwards. So we will be left with nothing .
One solution will be to shoot at reduced size targets at 25m range. Some people are hesitant to do it. I do not know.
Do you think that it will harm my training process?

best regards
tirpassion

[airgun_novice]

Mon cher ami tirpassion, hvj1 guruji et al,
comment-allez ?

Managed a visit to the range today; the first trip after Capt EZ. Decided to shoot out an entire 40-shot match using MS pellets. Did not change sight setting as the"last" was for RWS R-10 and soon might need the same for the next one coming up. Did a box drill of every shot.

Here's outcome: SOA (incl SA) - 29/40 = 72% (down tremendously). Shots aborted = 7. (Should have aborted more as that readily showed up on the cards - hence "X" on the drill box - hence lower % there). #10s = 8; #9s = 12; #8s=13. Didn't want to score; but nonetheless did after coming home = 339 (83, 87, 86, 83). Pattern chosen was one on every card on 4 cards and repeat. Thus, shots # 1, 5, 9 ...on card # 1; shots# 2, 6, 10.. on card #2 and so on. Took a total of 40 minutes including breaks and time needed to send/fetch cards. Then I shot 10 RWS R-10s on one card -> got 6 inside #9 (incl 1 in #10), 3 on #8 and 1 on #7. Lumbar 'freezes' and giving a leaden feeling after a while; but no major issue.

Today, I found I was jerking the trigger pull rather than squeezing it at times; plus SA was getting yanked to the LHS after shot. Need to iron than out. The next one is coming up in first week of Jul. Have to put in at least two sessions a day - one at range and the other at home. That's all - signing off.

[airgun_novice]

ONE MORE PISTOLERO

Hey even I am from Mumbai..i came to know that u into serious air pistol shooting..can u please please guide me into this field..as I am a completely new to this but have a dead serious interest into learning it..

Dear kai9dranzer,

Good to know that there's one more pistolero from Mumbai. Welcome to the brotherhood. To start with, you can complete a safety training course at Savarkar Smarak or MRA range . I think MRA experts do offer specialized training in air pistol; you shall need to check out there. Then you need to get yourself a pistol - either rent out what the range has or buy a new one for yourself and get into practice. Check with Vishwajeet Shinde of Savarkar range as he should be able to help you out wrt buying one. Follow the thread "Tips on Pistol Shooting" started by hvji guruji and directed quite admirably by our very own upcharya tirpassion. Feel free to ask any doubts - should you see what sort of Qs I had been posing you can make out how silly they seem - in short, shed inhibitions and discuss openly. I am also posting your query along with my reply on the same thread so that hvj1, tirpassion, dev, jitu et al can get to know you and help you along. Good Luck.

regs
A.

[tirpassion]

Guruji,

as per your question

Is it possible to give me a grouping of the sevens and lower shot positions accurately, as well as if you can tell me which number the shots were and what was the positon of each shot in your shot cycle?

I have sent you the photos of the cards shot today along with the details as much as possible.

sincere regards
tirpassion

[jitu sati]

noted tir. 3-5 secs. yesterday my local range had a power cut so could not complete the the planned shoot. today will try again and let u know the first session details with box on shot break and 8s

[tirpassion]

Do not forget th SA hold box drill jitu. 100% is the goal. If the SA image trembles while holding, abort!!!
regards
tirpassion

[tirpassion]

Dear agn,

Today, I found I was jerking the trigger pull rather than squeezing it at times; plus SA was getting yanked to the LHS after shot. Need to iron than out.

Please work on your WRIST LOCKING. The wrist locking consists of tightening your forearm muscles while holding your weapon. You will have to work on the grip locking by strengthening your forearm muscles. Get a medium soft foam ball and squeeze it as exercise daily.

best regards
tirpassion