Suitable replacement for Insas rifle?

[fantumfan2003]

It sure does.....
+1 on the AK idea....

M.

dosen't insas rifle look more like the imi galil .however my personal opinion wld be to upgrade the existing insas variant.otherwise i believe AK is the best

[dheeraj_1772]

Dear fantumfan, AK-47/56 are assault rifles that are best suitable for spraying of bullets and in CQB (closed quarter battles) but if u need an assault rifle to aim perfectly at 300 mtr then INSAS is much more better...
... and for all those who are not agree with my opinion are humbly adviced to go and visit some army/PMF firing ranges (due permissions can be obtained from concerned authorities..) and see the live firing of both the weapons and then form an opinion.
AK's are unmatched and best for certain aspects but not at all (repeat NOT AT ALL)for accurate and aimed firing...

[guncrazy]

if u need an assault rifle to aim perfectly at 300 mtr then INSAS is much more better...
... and for all those who are not agree with my opinion are humbly adviced to go and visit some army/PMF firing ranges (due permissions can be obtained from concerned authorities..) and see the live firing of both the weapons and then form an opinion.
Humble submission kindly pass the Army units address so that all gun enthusiasts can try their luck and hand. why did this good rifle needed 5 modification and country like Nepal begged India to take them back. please try Tavor and Uzi at any SF unit as you know how to get the permission. INSAS beautification for your reference, Pistol grip made by Neelkamal plastic india Ltd, Mode change lever by small scale industries at Dharavi and Noida,long list for each part ( confidential bhi koi cheez hai dheeraj_1772 babu ) Metallurgy of the rifle is unknown and so studies and research are still on to find how much a infantry soldier has benefited from it but this is sure that it has helped many rags to turn in riches, sab par kripa baras rahi hai jai ho nirmal darbar ki................. mods please reham this is genuine and from heart no sarcasm

[FPSRussia]

All of you may wanna click the link
http://tacstrat.com/content/index.php/2 ... lt-rifles/

And there is no doubt about the dedication of Our Army, never was... But its about our Government whose duty is to give the Army a decent AR...

Regards
S

[fantumfan2003]

Dheeraj,

Nothing personal, we are just debating okay ?

May I invite you to read my post again ? I never said the Kalashnikovs are accurate out to 300m. The FN FAL is more than capable of shooting accurately out to 300m, when I meant gaps can be filled by Kalasnikovs, I did mean CQB situations. So I personally do not see the need for the INSAS. Good design or not it has been poorly made.

You really think we can go to the nearest Army camp and ask them (If we get past the DSC folks at the gate) "yo my man, I want permission to see you fire them guns, made by my tax money"

BE REALISTIC MAN...........

I do sometimes think that the armed forces are also at fault by allowing successive govt's to take them for a ride. As they have taken the civilian population all the time. Sure I understand the armed forces folks do not have much of a say....but its not as if they have no say at all........

And look they are already looking for a replacement for the INSAS.

http://tacstrat.com/content/index.php/2 ... lt-rifles/

Now why did someone not have a design ready to replace the INSAS in all these years ? This country boasts of making IRBMs, NUKE subs and fighter aircraft but cannot come up with a simple, reliable assault rifle......Shame......Shame.......Shame..........

M.

Dear fantumfan, AK-47/56 are assault rifles that are best suitable for spraying of bullets and in CQB (closed quarter battles) but if u need an assault rifle to aim perfectly at 300 mtr then INSAS is much more better...
... and for all those who are not agree with my opinion are humbly adviced to go and visit some army/PMF firing ranges (due permissions can be obtained from concerned authorities..) and see the live firing of both the weapons and then form an opinion.
AK's are unmatched and best for certain aspects but not at all (repeat NOT AT ALL)for accurate and aimed firing...

[fantumfan2003]

M.

there is no doubt about the dedication of Our Army, never was... But its about our Government whose duty is to give the Army a decent AR...

Regards
S

[fantumfan2003]

The article says we chose the INSAS over the G41 and AUG for saving foreign exchange...........tch.... tch..... tch......

Oh god.....

I have no words to express my anger and sorrow....

M.

All of you may wanna click the link

http://tacstrat.com/content/index.php/2 ... lt-rifles/

And there is no doubt about the dedication of Our Army, never was... But its about our Government whose duty is to give the Army a decent AR...

Regards
S

[perfectionist1]

Sirs,

Kalashnikov for close quarter combat is the best, nothing can beat it. It is guns for masses, across globe, no doubt. It beats M 16.

Longer range .50 cal type sniper or Remington .308 will be ideal.

I am not guru, but just reflecting what I collected from reading and seeing.

Cheers

[FPSRussia]

Well! I feel a bull-pup will serve the Army's needs. It will have higher fire rate, higher accuracy(thanx to normal length barrel), higher capacity when in 5.56 cal.....
It seems that Govt. Of India is also considering Israeli Tavor Tar-21..
Lets see what comes out.

Cheers
S

[fantumfan2003]

Some 3000 odd Tavor 5.56 bullpups are already in use with Indian Special forces. They too had some teething troubles when inducted but those have since been sorted out. Owing to foreign exchange crunch, I have my doubts that the Tavor will become standard issue and god be with our lads if the ordnance factories license manufacture them.

M.

Well! I feel a bull-pup will serve the Army's needs. It will have higher fire rate, higher accuracy(thanx to normal length barrel), higher capacity when in 5.56 cal.....
It seems that Govt. Of India is also considering Israeli Tavor Tar-21..
Lets see what comes out.

Cheers
S

[cottage cheese]

Well! I feel a bull-pup will serve the Army's needs. It will have higher fire rate, higher accuracy(thanx to normal length barrel), higher capacity when in 5.56 cal.....
It seems that Govt. Of India is also considering Israeli Tavor Tar-21..
Lets see what comes out.

Cheers
S

Actually, higher rate for fire doesn't necessarily translate to "more-effective". In fact for an infantry rifle it has more downsides. It would render the weapon less controllable, largely inaccurate because of the related mass movement, vibration and muzzle rise.... muzzle comps' aside. There is also the matter of increased and quicker consumption ammunition. A High rate of fire would largely be useful only with controlled burst mechanisms (Like 3 round burst), where the high cyclic rate ensures that 3 rounds have fired before there is an appreciable movement of the muzzle and operating mass from the point of aim. In full auto, a rather sedate and sluggish 450 RPM has been found to be the most controllable.

Bull-pups and accuracy generally agree with each other but not always. The equation relates more to its size to accuracy ratio. Good and innovative sighting systems also have a large part to play in the equation.... which, incidentally, can also be used with conventional lay out weapons.

The higher capacity thing is mostly nonsense. A lot of Bull-pups, (including the Tavor) use 30 round STANAG magazines that conform to the M16 interface. Even otherwise, 30 rounds is considered standard...excluding our shoddy INSAS. High capacity magazines like extended mags, quad stacks, drums are not unique to bull pups and can be used in conventional rifles. Oddly large mass magazines like drums are awkward to use with bull pups since they would get in the way of the shooters face.

While being pretty innovative and effective, bull-pups are not without their flaws and are by no means, the ultimate answer. Personally, I'd have a preference to bull-pups like the forward ejecting FN F2000 or the Keltec RFB.
...and not to forget my personal favorite conventional layout... the MAGPUL MASADA - the father of the Remington ACR...

regards,
cc

[FPSRussia]

The higher capacity thing is mostly nonsense. A lot of Bull-pups, (including the Tavor) use 30 round STANAG magazines that conformto the M16 interface. Even otherwise, 30 rounds is considered standard...excluding our shoddy INSAS

When I said ''Higher Capacity'' .... I meant higher amount of Ammo being carried by the soldier. As a 30 rnd Ak-47 mag weights almost double the weight of a 30 rnd mag of M-16/M4...

Also you spot on when you said ''higher firing rate is useful for 3 rnd bursts ''

Cheers
S

[cottage cheese]

When I said ''Higher Capacity'' .... I meant higher amount of Ammo being carried by the soldier. As a 30 rnd Ak-47 mag weights almost double the weight of a 30 rnd mag of M-16/M4...

Well I guess that clears it up FPS....

rather annoyingly, the 5.56mm INSAS was supposed to have the same advantage....


regards,
cc