What is more sad?

shooter · Post by **shooter** » Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:08 pm

The following is a true story and my own experience; not a copy from the internet. However what followed made me wonder what was more sad the main event or the after math or the reaction to the event.

What are your thoughts?

The other day I saw a patient in my clinic and his face had a strange expression. As doctors take great pride in spot diagnosis, i thought to myself "learning difficulties".

However he was a very intelligent and articulate man and I wasnt sure how he hot that strange expression.

He then told me a chilling story.

5-6 years ago in the middle of the night, he woke up hearing some noise, on further investigating, he realised his neighbours house was being burgled and instinctively he started shouting for help hoping that would stop the gang of burglars.

The burglars, instead of running away turned on him and beat him so badly that he lost 17 teeth! Then they returned to ransacking the property (the neighbours were away) but before leaving, they realised he was still alive.

The patient was beaten so badly that he couldn't even open his eyes but he heard the following:

"He's alive man and he has seen us; we cant leave him like this. He may identify us".
"No he wont".
Then a thud and all went blank.

He opened his eyes days later and found they had struck his skull with a machete. He required 117 stitches to close the wound, was in ICU for days, has had permanant brain and facial nerve damage affecting not only his expression and looks but also his memory. Plastic surgery and nerve damage together gave him an abnormal expression. Since then he has developed epilepsy, had psychiatric complications, constant pain relief had him addicted to morphine.

He is not married, has agorphobia, doesnt socialise. The media hailed him as a hero for what he had done. But no one suggested or even touched upon right to self defence etc.

My first thought was "Only if he had a gun.........." however I didnt voice this due to professional conduct.

I asked him about how he felt looking back. To cut the long story short, not once did he say he wished he was better armed.

When I related this story to my friend who is a hunter, firearm owner, his first reply was. "He was stupid, why did he do it. He should just have let them carry on."

When I told him about RKBA, he confessed that thought and self defence didnt even enter his mind. This is what happens after years of living in a place where you have brainwashed into thinking that self defence is unnecessary.

Last but not the least, the police got a detailed sketch based on his descriptions. He says he can never forget the faces of the peole who tried to kill him. The police artist was also impressed. However the gang committed 6 more burglaries in that neighbourhood and to this day havent been arrested.

Which part of the story do you find the saddest?

adarora · Post by **adarora** » Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:36 pm

What if he was married? or had kids at that time.
No words.....

nagarifle · Post by **nagarifle** » Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:59 pm

as for me i find all of it sad,

trying to be a good citizen and neibour got almost killed.[apart from lifelong trauma]

not bothered to get armed. maybe thats not his fault, as if lies are told long enough one believes them[Hitler?]

the police , with the detailed sketch, the bug888 ARE still out there.

sa_ali · Post by **sa_ali** » Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:04 pm

I think the sadest part is that he has no sense of self protection.

Even though he had better sense of helping others. I personally believe that if you are not taking of yourself you cannot help others too.

fantumfan2003 · Post by **fantumfan2003** » Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:15 pm

Which part of the story I find the saddest ?

This...............

shooter wrote: Last but not the least, the police got a detailed sketch based on his descriptions. He says he can never forget the faces of the peole who tried to kill him. The police artist was also impressed. However the gang committed 6 more burglaries in that neighbourhood and to this day havent been arrested.

You are in London right ? Is this the current state of affairs with the British Police ?

That's a matter of shame for them...........

This is a perfect example of conditioning people to mind their own........

M.

furqan · Post by **furqan** » Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:26 pm

The machete attacks are gruesome God ire be upon those perpetrators who are on the run.

Sad part is he should have been armed even bare handed self defense against Machete would end up being amputated.

goodboy_mentor · Post by **goodboy_mentor** » Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:55 pm

"self defence didnt even enter his mind." - This is the most saddest part. And your hunter friend gave the most practical answer. When someone is not even in position to defend his own life and property, the question of defending someone else or his property does not arise.

"The media hailed him as a hero for what he had done. But no one suggested or even touched upon right to self defence etc." - This is another most saddest and stupidest part as it does not even talk about importance of self defense and instead help create more such ignorant people.

airgun_novice · Post by **airgun_novice** » Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:11 pm

Not just some portion is saddest - the entire episode is chilling and unnerving !

Hats off to that patient for doing his civic duty.

goodboy_mentor · Post by **goodboy_mentor** » Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:39 pm

I do not think he was able to do any civic duty. Instead he ended up being a patient. He would have been in a position to do civic duty if he had been armed to defend himself in the first place and had tried calling police instead.

varunik · Post by **varunik** » Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:16 pm

The saddest thing is our so called 'honorable' home Minister doesn't realize the need of citizens to defend themselves.
Infact, he believes on cashing votes ( his recent proposal to take away arms from non SC/STs)

airgun_novice · Post by **airgun_novice** » Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:49 pm

goodboy_mentor wrote:I do not think he was able to do any civic duty. Instead he ended up being a patient. He would have been in a position to do civic duty if he had been armed to defend himself in the first place and had tried calling police instead.

+1

He should have called in the cops.
Also the Q is - Was he the only neighbor in the 'hood ? Is so, why did he shout for help ? If not, what were the rest of the neighbors doing ?

varunik · Post by **varunik** » Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:52 pm

goodboy_mentor wrote:I do not think he was able to do any civic duty. Instead he ended up being a patient. He would have been in a position to do civic duty if he had been armed to defend himself in the first place and had tried calling police instead.

I think what he showed was pure initiative and leadership.

goodboy_mentor · Post by **goodboy_mentor** » Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:03 pm

Initiative and leadership is fine but what matters is that he did not know his or his opponents capability and ended up suffering.

If you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a thousand battles without a single loss. If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose. If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself. - Art of War

varunik · Post by **varunik** » Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:18 pm

Y

goodboy_mentor wrote:Initiative and leadership is fine but what matters is that he did not know his or his opponents capability and ended up suffering.

If you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a thousand battles without a single loss. If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose. If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself. - Art of War

ak27 · Post by **ak27** » Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:08 pm

The saddest part of the story is that the victim in his anxiety and stress has failed to analyse the situation properly. Instead of shouting for help, he could have simply called the police. Not saying that he should not act instinctively and show responsibility, but he is not at all qualified to engage those thugs.

Now, from the RKBA perspective, if at all the guy was trained and accustomed to carry/handle a firearm the situation would have been entirely different! A few shots towards the perpetrators would have sent them flying(considering that apparently they are 'less' armed and the victim is at a safe distance).

And the most disgusting thing is:

shooter wrote: Last but not the least, the police got a detailed sketch based on his descriptions. He says he can never forget the faces of the peole who tried to kill him. The police artist was also impressed. However the gang committed 6 more burglaries in that neighbourhood and to this day havent been arrested.

this stands as a practical example to the statement "A gun in hand is better than two with the cops". If only the 6 unfortunate homes had Gun protection on them, i am sure the situation must have been quite different.

The whole scene explains how our pestiferous governments rid us of one of the most basic needs: 'The means and the right to protect ourselves'

regards,

Indians For Guns

Indians For Guns

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