.22 Rifle advice

[THAMBI]

Dear Sir,
Which Rifle Is better..22 Hornet or Savage .22 Hi Power and availability of cartridges.
Regards,
Thambi

[sniper19]

i think .22 harnet is best....both cartgs are available in market...you will get @ 100 per ctg i think.....why dont you go for .22 lr

[TwoRivers]

Better for what, Thambi? And in what rifles? The .22 Savage is the more powerful cartridge, but is loaded by fewer manufacturers, and no longer loaded in the US. The .22 Hornet has regained popularity in the US, and is again popular world wide, so the cartridge should be easier to find in India. Though with your cartridge quotas, availability often appears to be an overblown concern.

[Corjack]

The 22 Savage High Power, is known for being difficult about loading accurate ammo. Ken Waters wrote in one of his books of this difficulty. The Hornet is much more available, and less persnicketty.

[hvj1]

i think .22 harnet is best....both cartgs are available in market...you will get @ 100 per ctg i think.....why dont you go for .22 lr

Hello Thambi,
With all due respect to your interest in the hornet/savage, Why not the LR? What is it that you wish to do which can be done by the hornet/savage, which cannot be done by the LR?
I know people have their fetish about certain ammos/guns, believe me I have one too, I am totally hooked on the WMR. But given a choice and I have exercised that choice, I have two rifles, a remington single shot and a kricko 5 shot both LR. Many years ago when hunting was legal in India, I saw a blackbuck shot at 60 yards, with a .22 LR KF. The fellow crumpled on the spot, the bullet went through and through. SO?
Best Regards

[TwoRivers]

Welcome to the forum, Corjack.

Since reloading is not a possibility in India at this time, Ken Water's problems with his .22 Savage are hardly an issue. Quoting an American gun writer only shows that you have no experience with the cartridge yourself.

The 1-12 twist of the Savage M99 barrels is marginal for pointed 70 grain bullets. The European version, 5.6x52R, uses a faster 270mm/10.6" twist. The Brits used a 1-10 " twist. Walter Winans set a world record with this cartridge, in a double rifle, in "Running Deer" competition.
The Savage M99 is not known as a tackdriver, especially so in the take-down version; but its accuracy is more than adequate for a defensive shooting, informal target shooting, or hunting. The latter being prohibited in India.

And without knowing what rifle would be acquired for a .22 Hornet, we can't really say much at this point.

[Corjack]

Ken Waters difficulty with the round is not the only opinion I have read on the 22 Savage issues with accuracy in reloaded ammo. For me that is enough to steer me away from it.
How much actual experience do you have with the High Power, or are you also just quoting things you have read concerning the High power in the 99 Savage, and Walter Winans ?

Best Regards

Corjack

[TwoRivers]

I don't quote other peoples opinions; nor do I quote "opinions" unless acquired by experience, not by reading some drivel.
Regards.

[Corjack]

So by your logic your information posted is as worthless as mine. Why the double standard? You have no more experience with this round than I do, yet you post information as if you do. What makes you feel your opinions, and information you have read is more valuable than mine? You called me onto the carpet on this, and for no reason. I in turn ask you to explain your rudeness directed at me.

[Risala]

Hey Corjack...welcome aboard IFG,just to clear the air....so that you know where Two Rivers is coming from,he has been a professional gunsmith for over 50 years.
Cheers

[Corjack]

I feel I made a valid point. depending on the type of firearm the original poster is thinking of, and depending on the amount of money he wishes to spend. He would be better served with the Hornet, just on ammo availability. If, ammo reloading ever became legal in India, He would still be better served with the Hornet, as components are again more available. I have considered a 5.6X52R in a K95 Blaser in the past, but my research has indicated several issues concerning ammo availability, and even though Twin Rivers feels reading to be "drivel". Enough drivel seems to be out there to justify my quoting Ken Waters opinion.

[goodboy_mentor]

Hi Corjack welcome to IFG. It appears to be a storm in a tea cup. The main thing is the situation in India, in respect to availability and costs of arms and ammunition. The imports of arms are practically banned since 1980s and IOF is the only legal manufacturer of handguns, rifles and their ammunition. Probably hvj1 has given the most practical opinion keeping this in mind. The .22 LR is the cheapest cartridge available and manufactured by IOF.

If he goes for .22 Savage, there might be issues sourcing the ammunition. If he wants to regularly practice shooting after getting his usual annual 10 or 25 cartridge quota increased on license, if ammunition is available it will be very costly. Reloading is legal but practically not possible for most of the people because the sourcing of powders etc. is very difficult and the process is loaded with bureaucratic red tapism. Though the ammunition for .22 Hornet is available, it is also very costly when compared with price of .22 LR ammunition.

[Corjack]

The 22lr would be a very good choice. Especially with the ammo issues.

[TwoRivers]

You have no more experience with this round than I do, yet you post information as if you do.

What rudeness? And yet you accuse me of having no more experience with this round than you do? I would think that seven different rifles that I have owned in this cartridge over the years, and loaded for, would provide a better perspective than quoting some gun writer.

[Corjack]

I see nothing wrong with quoting a respected writer such as Ken Waters, and I consider the tone of your admonishing this to be demeaning, and rude. Not the actions I would expect from someone who fancies himself such an expert, and a professional in the field of firearms. I would suggest your skills are more in your bully like nature.