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Re: JEEP LOVERS AND OTR THREAD

Post by Moin. » Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:30 pm

Rajat wrote:Yes, do not buy the army disposal junk and bother with changing engines etc.unless you want the vehicle to break down in the middle of nowhere or spend some time every week with the mechanic. Either buy a decent used vehicle or stick with Gypsies or the Thar CRDe with the borg warne suspension (not the DI). Personally I recommend the Scorpio 4WD too, it is a comfortable and powerful offroader in India.

Also check out Petes India website for related gear etc and there is one other guy in Bangalore ( I think ) who sells Warne winches etc. I will find his details and let you know too.
Rajat, I've seen several threads on Team BHP on these refurbishments specially by guys like Allan (Sara Extreme) in Mumbai, don't look too bad. But yes the thought of a break down in Bumper to Bumper Mumbai traffic is scary !

Thanks for the info on Pete's Rajat, some very intersting products on the website.
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Post by hamiclar01 » Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:39 pm

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Thanks Hamiclair, tried searching for the thread, did'nt find it. Will be helpful If you could post a link.
here it is Moin...
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Re: JEEP LOVERS AND OTR THREAD

Post by Rajat » Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:12 pm

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Gentlemen is it a given that these refurbished engines or engine swaps are bound to fail even if done by people who know what they're doing ?
No, I do not think so Moin. There are a few guys who know what they are doing and could make engine swaps etc work. But the problem is we don't come across them frequently and once you get a real professional to complete mods on your vehicle it will just about cost as much as a new one but for sure then it will be a beautiful beast.

The reason I am not in favor of these jobs is due to the lack of expertise and "chalta hai" attitude which really does not work.

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Post by hornet » Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:47 pm

army disposal jeeps can be restored fully under three lacs as prabath has mentioned they need a good mechanic or restorer 4x4 can also be restored as it is or removed as required for better mileage.but please make sure before buying for restoring a jeep for a longer period use original mahindra parts.regarding second hand engines please make a thorogh checkup otherwise untimely hazzards are due;better go in for original mahindra engines.or an option is always there.buy a new mahindra thar for better peace of mind.it can serve u for two decades if properly and timely maintained .my personal experience as a farmer and user of jeeps over four decades is not bad if we have the eye for a properly maitained second hand or if u have time and patience do it by a friends opinion who is already doing or done in restoring jeeps.otherwise if u dont have time go in for a new one a thar for4x4 or even a bolero is always a good option in city and country conditions it gives good milege too

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Post by kanwar76 » Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:13 pm

Restoring a old jeep or anything is a painstaking job, try only if you have ample time and you want to have mechanics as your good and only friends. Though Thar seems costly and interiors are crappy but you will have peace of mind and mahindra A** in the time of trouble.

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Post by Moin. » Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:05 pm

Noted with thanks Hornet and Kanwar, work 10-12 hours a day, 6 days a week, have neither the time nor technical expertise for this, but yes there are people who are experts on the subject and trust them to do the right thing. Have seen 2 MM550's so far absolute rust buckets & fit for scrapping and the asking price 1.8 to 2 Lacs ! Disappointed but will continue looking nonetheless.

I was at the Auto Expo in Bandra Kurla Complex and did see the Thar CRDE in action in the experience 4X4 Section. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: OOOOhhh Stirs the heart like an old talwar or a good quality modern tactical blade. :mrgreen: Will post the scan of the price list soon. Yes the interiors on a Maruti 800 are better, but that's not what it's all about !


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Post by Katana » Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:34 pm

Mahindra Great Escape, Ahmedabad 2001

Mahindra introduced the Great Escape to Gujarat yesterday for the very first time in Alloaa Hills(actually its named for the village of Alua), about 7-8 kms from where I live. I have known this track for some years now as I 'test' out friends jeeps after any work done on them here. It's rights on the west bank of the Sabarmati river.

Mahindra laid out a fairly well organised meet but was mainly intended for the SUV types or novices. There were just 3 of us hardcore jeepers types. I had been invited by the Mahindra Regional Office, largely because they wanted to have fun but just Boleros and Scorpios were available to them and that would severely limit their off road ability. So I just gave them my jeep!
MahGreatEscapeAhd12 007 (Small).jpg
Starting at the track, the first car being the pilot himself got bogged and had to be winched out.
MahGreatEscapeAhd12 008 (Small).jpg
Then these guys dicided to 'test' my jeep on a hill climb. Did it easily in 3rd 4L on a 45 degree gradient. Should have seen the grins on the faces of the Mahindra guys!
MahGreatEscapeAhd12 010 (Small).jpg
MahGreatEscapeAhd12 009 (Small).jpg
Thereafter I lost my camera so I don't have any more pics! But I must commend my dealer and his mechanics who have looked after my vehicles of the past 7-8 years. Here they are:
MahGreatEscapeAhd12 006 (Small).jpg
MahGreatEscapeAhd12 011 (Small).jpg
For those of you who are looking for some fun and learning about off roading, this could be a good beginning when the Escape comes to your area, although under no stretch of imagination can it be called real hard core off roading.
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Post by hornet » Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:31 pm

ALL the members here are mature enough.if u wnt a refurgished .then keep u r self updated and more over see otherdone thing .ONLY IF U R NOVICE IN THIS SECTION ,ican help u out .if u can afford to come to dabwali in sirsa ditt n.h10 ony 250pluskms fromdelhi u can have mde custom jeep.my village is nearby so ican be there to go about it the best and honest person who does it at a large scale is a very close friend.after the day we come back to my open place.can have some fun with guns.all on me. just try a forum friend my contact no **********.i wish katana ji were also there .we can go thier have a feel of the area and some ****************.yourdream can be realized under three lacs

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Post by Moin. » Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:21 pm

Katana wrote:Mahindra Great Escape, Ahmedabad 2001

Mahindra introduced the Great Escape to Gujarat yesterday for the very first time in Alloaa Hills(actually its named for the village of Alua), about 7-8 kms from where I live. I have known this track for some years now as I 'test' out friends jeeps after any work done on them here. It's rights on the west bank of the Sabarmati river.

Mahindra laid out a fairly well organised meet but was mainly intended for the SUV types or novices. There were just 3 of us hardcore jeepers types. I had been invited by the Mahindra Regional Office, largely because they wanted to have fun but just Boleros and Scorpios were available to them and that would severely limit their off road ability. So I just gave them my jeep!
MahGreatEscapeAhd12 007 (Small).jpg
Starting at the track, the first car being the pilot himself got bogged and had to be winched out.
MahGreatEscapeAhd12 008 (Small).jpg
Then these guys dicided to 'test' my jeep on a hill climb. Did it easily in 3rd 4L on a 45 degree gradient. Should have seen the grins on the faces of the Mahindra guys!
MahGreatEscapeAhd12 010 (Small).jpg
MahGreatEscapeAhd12 009 (Small).jpg
Thereafter I lost my camera so I don't have any more pics! But I must commend my dealer and his mechanics who have looked after my vehicles of the past 7-8 years. Here they are:
MahGreatEscapeAhd12 006 (Small).jpg
MahGreatEscapeAhd12 011 (Small).jpg
For those of you who are looking for some fun and learning about off roading, this could be a good beginning when the Escape comes to your area, although under no stretch of imagination can it be called real hard core off roading.

:D Looks like you've had some real fun there Katanaji. These Mahindra Great Escapes are held some place near Lonavala I think. Thanks for sharing the pics :D

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Post by Moin. » Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:32 pm

hornet wrote:ALL the members here are mature enough.if u wnt a refurgished .then keep u r self updated and more over see otherdone thing .ONLY IF U R NOVICE IN THIS SECTION ,ican help u out .if u can afford to come to dabwali in sirsa ditt n.h10 ony 250pluskms fromdelhi u can have mde custom jeep.my village is nearby so ican be there to go about it the best and honest person who does it at a large scale is a very close friend.after the day we come back to my open place.can have some fun with guns.all on me. just try a forum friend my contact no ***********.i wish katana ji were also there .zed under three lacs

Thank You very much Hornet, that's a very generous offer. A trip up north is definatley on the charts. I've been itching to travel to Amritsar to check out the huge market of Kripans, Swords etc right outside Darbar Sahib, I have very fond memories of visiting the market while in college. Also want to check out the famous Mayapuri Jeep Market in Delhi. Your number's noted. Thank you again.

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Post by Moin. » Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:33 pm

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Thanks Hamiclair, tried searching for the thread, did'nt find it. Will be helpful If you could post a link.
here it is Moin...
http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php ... p+mahindra
Thank You Hamiclar, made for some very interesting reading.

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Post by Terminator-X » Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:28 pm

This is me & my Willys CJ 3A 45' model jeep along with my Pistol.
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Post by Moin. » Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:41 pm

Terminator-X wrote:This is me & my Willys CJ 3A 45' model jeep along with my Pistol.
Very nice Jeep. :)

Firearms, whisky, beer and 4 Wheel Drive :wink: Dangerous combination Terminator :).

Thank You for sharing the pic.


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Post by Katana » Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:31 am

Moin,

The MGE season is almost over, with just 2 planned in Jaipur and Dehra Dun in the coming month. You ought to try the Shahpur meet, close to Pune next year. The Lonavla one is the Alfa Kilo Challenge held in July each year is for hard core and extreme off roaders. I missed this years affair due to work issues. Will try to be their next year. Meanwhile, next on the calender is the Maruti Suzuki Desert Storm Rally which culminates in the Rann of Kutch (very difficult to navigate). This is a true TSD (Time Speed Distance) rally and will take place in Jan-Feb 2012.

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Thanks for your invitation, but I keep my distance from Dabwali jeeps. They are more show than go. I have seen some of these jeeps sell for upwards of 4.5 lacs here in Gujarat with people spending another 50 thousand on Chinese/ Korean tyres to fit them onto 2wd vehicles!

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Lovely Jeep you have with you. Straight from the Korean War! Hope you are still running it on the Go Devil engine with the T9 transmission. I believe your Jeep could be of post 1952 assemblage by Mahindra, not 1945 as you say. The Willys MB and Ford GPW were still being manufactured in that year and production of the CJ2A culminated in 1951.
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Post by timmy » Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:21 am

would love to get a WW2 era jeep, possibly a a Willys MB or a Ford GPW.
I can share a few experiences regarding jeeps.

I owned a 1942 Willys MB. A previous owner (one of many) swapped in the F head 134 in place of the flathead 134 originally installed, along with a T90 BW transmission in place of the stock T84. To allow hood clearance for the F head under the low hood (bonnet, in UK parlance), the owner had made a metal scoop to clear the carburetor and air cleaner, which was the offending high assembly.

I tried driving some CJ2s, and found that the F head definitely had more power than the flathead 134. However, both of these engines are very old-fashioned, with heavy rods and a heavy crank. It takes an act of Congress to get the either of them to rev up, compared to a modern engine.

The military jeeps were the only ones to have a full floating rear axle here in the USA. After the War, jeeps downgraded to semi-floating rear axles. The nice thing about military full floating rear axles is that the rear hubs are identical to the hubs on the front axle, bearings and all. This allows for good wartime logistics, but it is also a boon to jeep operators. Remember that jeeps were not intended for long service lives. They were expendable, cheap war vehicles. Very little money was put into the metallurgy of jeeps. Axles were/are notorious for breakage on these old jeeps, and a full floating rear axle means you can still drive the thing when a rear axle shaft snaps.

Speaking of metallurgy, the frames and springs of old jeeps were also very prone to breakage and cracking when put under long service. Another joy of jeep ownership!

Then there is the Ross steering gear. I will admit, they are easy to repair, as I did rebuild mine. However, they are prone to quick wear, and they are reversible: one can break a thumb when hitting a rock with the front wheel, unless one learns to hold the wheel with just fingers and NOT wrap the thumbs around the wheel rim. A quick jolt on the front wheels can cause the steering wheel spokes to snap a carelessly wrapped thumb in an instant. Many folks here in the USA convert to later GM recirculating ball steering boxes for this reason.

I also owned a 1966 Wagoneer. As far as climbing goes, it would climb any hill that my jeep would. Of course, it was much wider, so it didn't negotiate narrow jeep trails as well, nor would it turn as tight of a corner. But it would climb just as well as my jeep. I recall one time, when going to get some wood that I'd left up a hill side (we heated with wood only in those days, I proved the climbing ability of the jeep. Earlier, I had driven a borrowed 3/4 ton Chevy 4x4 up a slash cut road to the top of a mountain to get some wood. I had to chain up all 4 to make it through the snow. Several weeks later, I went up the same road with my Wagoneer, no chains, and with less trouble. It would definitely climb.

It had the Rambler 327 cu in V8 engine (not the same as the Chevy 327! This one was derived from the Packard design V8 of 1955.) The engine was great, as it had loads and loads of low end torque and would pull like a mule. The transmission was the Borg Warner T89, a tough gear box that shifted quite well.

Like earlier jeeps, however, the bodywork was not very good. The front drive shaft was also a weak point.

Up until the early 60s, jeep pickups and utility wagons used the 226 cu in flathead 6 made by Continental. This was the same 6 used in the Kaiser automobiles. In my youth, I rebuilt many of these engines, as they were commonly used in lift trucks as an industrial engine. To be blunt, they are a poor automotive engine. They were intended to be cheap, but durable motors, however in automotive use, where constant speed changes were necessary, they didn't hold up well at all. Furthermore, they had problems with head gaskets. I always took my time installing the heads to them with care, but I did have to make a number of service calls on motors others had built. These are motors to steer clear of!

My Dad was in charge of the battalion motor pool during the second half of WW2. He knew quite a bit about jeeps because of this, and his expertise was very helpful to me. Since his unit made amphibious landings in North Africa, a bunch in Sicily, two in Italy (Salerno and Anzio) and one in France, Dad was pretty up on how to prepare a jeep for this duty, by extending the air intake up the windshield post and the exhaust, as well. They packed the outside of the distributor and spark plug wires with putty.

Dad's fellows were a bit different from the normal GIs, who went through captured towns looking for wine cellars. His guys looked for machine shops. They were mostly Hispanic guys from Southern California who had raced midgets before the war. Once, Dad said they found a machine shop that was bombed out with an intact planer, and they got a bunch of guys to turn the flat belt pulley while they planed the head of Dad's personal jeep. It only ran on AV gas or captured German AV fuel. Dad said that it would twist the speedometer past the 270º of 0 to 60 mph and back around to 20 mph, at which point, it couldn't be kept on the road. He had a lot of respect for jeeps. When he left his occupation duty in Salzburg Austria for the preparation to invade Japan, one of his guys was swapping a German Ford V8 into his jeep.

So, that's my stories about jeeps.
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