IOF 30-06 Rifle

[Kittu]

hi two rivers as you said the sand was moist because of rainy season just passed and for spear head i pointed towards spitzer the bullets are covered by copper all the the way there is no portion on bullet where you can see any lead bullet FMJ and they are like militry bullets.is ammo faulty because lead broke the jacket and went somewhere inside living only jacket with some lead.and the jacket totally flliped over as you can see in pics andi am attaching pics of ammo i used.i used copper jacketed not nikkle or steel plated i dont know kindly see photos and give some opinion thanks

[hks2056]

Dear Ashok Godara
It is interesting to note that S&B bullets though designated as FMJ , that is, full metal jacketed, yet they disintegrated at about 100 yards on impact in mere 6 inch travel in sand. It shows the following:-
a] Perhaps there was rock behind the sand. FMJ bullets with copper jackets do disintegrate if they hit rock at a distance of only 100 meters because the impact velocity at 100 meters is in excess of 2500 fps with 30-06. Only exception being the military grade bullets with steel jacket which would get embedded or ricochet after deformation.Only tungsten carbide armour piercing bullets will remain in one piece without any appreciable deformation on hitting a solid hard target.
b] From photo of remainder of jackets it is clear that they are rather thin.
c] This particular load of 180 FMJ from S&B appears to be designed for hunting purposes for light game or for target shooting.It certainly is not a military bullet.
d] S&B is the cheapest ammo imported into India. My own experience with them is that they are poor at penetration. Such easily disintegrating bullets are very good for self defense purposes only. S&B also offers ammo with specialty bullets but owing to higher price the dealers do not import them as a general rule.
e] Pointed bullets retain more velocity in comparison to rounded bullets. Higher velocity does more damage to the target.

[Kittu]

hi hks2056 thanks for advise.there was no rock in sand as you can see in pictures some lead part was left behind and some went under the sand i would have understood if bullets shape had changed but covers totally fllipped over in pictures you are seeing inner layer of bullets.yes the S&B ammo is cheapest one and quality is also not so good so should i stick to ammo made by iof.older cartridges are good at penetration i myself fired indian ammo in m1garand to a tree 10 inches thick and it penetrated it i dont know of new cartridges.in general penetration power of 30-06 round is 3 feet in earth,5 and half inch in brick,2 inches in iron,36 inches in soft wood fired from 10 yards to 100 yards.in my opinion bullets could penetrate much to sand because sand acted like abrasive to bullets.bullets travelling at above 2500 fps and of RPM in lakhs when they struck sand and sand worked like abrasive paper totally destroying bullets.thats why we see bags filled with sands and kept around every post of soldiers and police.i think any bullet will not penetrate a bag of sand easily thanks

[TwoRivers]

Ashok: What your are shooting is most likely S&B #V331792 training ammunition, probably imported because it is the cheapest, and hunting is not allowed. 180 grain at 2674 fps. But being training ammo, it would have a rather thin jacket, designed to break up when hitting the back stop, rather than penetrating. By the same token, it could be quite deadly on humans, since it is likely to break up when hitting bone. Your S&B cartridge box should provide some information whether that is what you are shooting. Cheers.

[hks2056]

Dear Ashok Godara
With reference to your observations i am attaching a link below which i am sure you will find very informative and interesting as well.It contains results of shooting with 30-06 ammo.
Sincerely
hks2056

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot54.htm

[Kittu]

hi two rivers the ammo iam using is for training and trophy game hunting.these cartridges are made in Czech Republic and on box reads as FMJ,11.7 grams,180 grains and product no 2957. i have checked with their site and came to know about realty.i have another box of military cartridges and some cartridges made by winchester supreme elite which one will be better? As tip of winchester ammo is made of polymer they will also deform on impact as tip will break and act like hollow point again not good for penetration and indian ammo is very old made in 1967.two other brands are also available in market one from winchester in 150 grains and other one i dont know the name but i know they are made in russia or ukraine which one should i use for penetration and for self defence as from now i will not use S&B ammo thanks

[goodboy_mentor]

Live human flesh is not going to behave like compacted wet sand. These cartridges are more than sufficient for self defense unless you are confronted by someone wearing body armor or hiding behind something that can stop these bullets. After all these are not handgun cartridges but rifle cartridges. At short range these bullets are very likely to pass through the human flesh unless they hit bone. When they hit bone, they will disintegrate causing enough tissue damage. If you want to see how these bullets behave in flesh, try hitting a dead animal placed before a good backstop. You will be able see how these bullets perform while penetrating the flesh or on hitting the bone.

[TwoRivers]

Ashok: For self-defense, as goodboy_mentor has pointed out, these loads are perfectly adequate. Where I would disagree with S&B, is with their recommendation for "trophy hunting". They are totally wrong for that, unless your trophy animal is tied down. Any good hunting bullet, such as the Winchester, is made to expand and mushroom while holding together, and provide reasonable penetration. Military bullets are supposed to penetrate without creating large painful wounds.
Seems to me, that being restricted to target shooting, and possibly close range self-defense, bullet performance would be the last of your worries. I don't think, had you ever to shoot a two-legged varmint, you'd be worried about having to track him for miles, and eventually losing him.

[Kittu]

hi two rivers i have said you what was written on their site.by the way i have some cartridge made by winchwster suprime elite and some military cartridges made by IOF in 1967 and some cartridges from S&B but the bullets in these cartridges is made of steel (i have chacked with magnet bullets are of steel and of same product numbers)will they make any diffrence in penetration as i have only few of those should i look more for this kind of ammo in market thanks

[TwoRivers]

Ashok: Let me ask a question. Why are you so set on "penetration"? Are you planning to shoot at something through brick walls? Is your chosen sport shooting sand bags? The days of hunting elephant for their ivory are over, and you'd want a heavy round-nosed bullet for that. You don't need penetration for either target shooting, or self defense. Once through a human body should be adequate. For self defense a load with limited penetration is better, less chance of wounding a second person.

As to steel jacketed bullets, it is not so much the jacket material, as it's thickness, and impact velocity, that determine penetration. The higher the velocity, the greater the deformation, and the less penetration. Unless you have a solid, non-deforming, bullet.

[goodboy_mentor]

Probably he wants to be prepared to be able to defend himself against an attacker wearing body armor or hiding behind automobile etc. The best thing would be to fire each type of cartridge from various distances and see how it performs when it hits the intended target. For this he may choose some old scrap automobile doors etc. and place them in front of good backstop and shoot through them from various distances. As a word of caution should avoid shooting at hard and thick metal objects like engine blocks etc. as they may cause a bullet to ricochet towards anybody around or even back at the shooter.

[Kittu]

hi two rivers i am not going to shoot trough wall or anything else.i just wanted to know what kind of ammo we are getting trough dealers.my thinking was that a FMJ bullet is good at penetration but it was not true and i wnnted to purchase some solid bullets if they were available in india.as hunting is banned in india i cannot even hunt some small animals like size of deer.i asked you these questions because you have experience and i will learn more from you.all my questions were for knowledge only thanks

[Armour]

Hey Guys,
Is there nothing encouraging at all about IOF 30'06?? I was just planning to buy one thru a dealer. Can anyone let me know what would the going market price be for one?

Thanks

[Kittu]

hi armour the price for iof 30-06 is between 85 to 90 thousand in haryana i dont know of other states and prices may hike as i have read on forum about honable CM of UP mayavati orders to clear pending applications for fire arms licences and if licences are granted they will have direct impect on prices of arms in north india mainly rifle because UP peoples likes rifles more then any other weapon thanks

[lakecity_shooter]

CAn a fresher apply for a 30-06 rifle in sports catagory.what are the success rates or a .22 is a better option ?