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Re: 315 0r 303 bullet is more deadly

Post by shooter » Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:52 pm

At best you can call the .315 the sporterized version of the old .303 -
> Since there existed a demand for sporting weapons in the .30 cal the existing .303 was rechambered for suit the .315 cartridge - the neck & casing were altered.
> The .303 was not released for general use to prevent misuse of Govt ammo - hence it was ordained as a PB. The .303 ammo was made in 174grs only - since .315 was meant to be a sporting weapon the 224gr ammo was introduced.

IOF .315 is based on 8X50R mannlicher and not .303 as popularly believed.
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Re: 315 0r 303 bullet is more deadly

Post by Waquar Ahmad Afaque » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:22 pm

Thanks a lot Briha for the information provided.
Is there any book or from where I can download, is available to know more the bullets available worldwide.
I am eager to know about the detail of the bullets that is used worldwide in detail.
Will be thankful.

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Re: 315 0r 303 bullet is more deadly

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Re: 315 0r 303 bullet is more deadly

Post by rraju2805 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:45 pm

Waquar Ahmad Afaque wrote:the arms captured from moist was 315 bore rifle.
So, I want to is this one is deadliest or the 303 bore guns used by the criminal & why both choose these two.
I think , it depends on avilablity..
The maiost used a huge number of bullets , they collect those from foren countries & other terorist groups..

The ilegal local arms factories can't make bullet. They collect it form the ordinance factory by wrong way..

Also ,I think , the criminals use local arms & local arms are not good so they use light one...
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Re: 315 0r 303 bullet is more deadly

Post by brihacharan » Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:15 pm

Waquar Ahmad Afaque wrote:
I am eager to know about the cartridges that are used world wide.
Is there any other to have good knowledge of the cartridges that in use world wide.

Hi Waquar,
> The subject on the various types of cartridges used worldwide, their preferences etc. is a huge topic for discussion. The choice & selection of a particular calibre depends on various factors - game to be hunted - in which type of terrain - the approx distances in which you wish to take the game - comfort levels in handling a particular type of weapon / calibre - availability etc. etc.
> However for your immediate in-sight given below are a few facts based on a survey done in the US sometime ago. Hope you find it useful:

WORLD’S MOST POPULAR HUNTING CARTRIDGES

1. .308 WINCHESTER - The .308 is one of the best selling cartridges in North America and the world. It is the premier all-around cartridge for short action rifles.

2. .270 WINCHESTER - "The Great .270 Winchester" shows that interest in this classic all-around cartridge remains high. It is 3rd on most North American sales lists, and it is popular all over the world. The .270 has been the standard of comparison for long range hunting cartridges for three quarters of a century, and it may be the best balanced all-around + long range hunting cartridge ever devised.

3. .30-06 SPRINGFIELD - In sales, this is the most popular hunting cartridge in North America, and it is one of the elite worldwide cartridges. Many experts regard it as the best all-around hunting cartridge in the world. The .30-06 is in use on every continent where big game is hunted, so it is no surprise that its article gets a lot of page views.

4. .45-70 GOVERNMENT - The interest shown in this cartridge by the readers of Guns & Shooting Online comes as quite a surprise. The .45-70 is, indeed, a very good old cartridge, and the most popular big bore in North America.

5. .30-30 WINCHESTER - The .30-30 is one of the top selling rifle cartridges in North America. Interest in the cartridge remains high, probably partly due to its romantic association with the Old West, and partly because it is one of the best 200 yard deer and medium game cartridges ever designed.

6. 7MM REMINGTON MAGNUM - The 7mm Rem. Mag. is the most popular belted cartridge in North America, number 7 on most ammunition sales lists. It is a fine all-around cartridge, deserving of its world-wide popularity.

7. .223 REMINGTON - This cartridge owes its popularity to its adoption by the USA and NATO as a standard military round. But it is also a fine, accurate, varmint cartridge and a pleasure to shoot at the range. Ammunition is widely distributed and inexpensive. The .223 (5.56mm NATO) is 2nd on most sales lists and the top selling .22 center-fire rifle cartridge in the world.

8. .270 WSM - The .270 WSM has apparently taken the lead in the short magnum sweepstakes, at least among the readers of Guns and Shooting Online. This is not a surprise, as it is probably the most useful of the breed, and the only one that isn't simply a duplicate of another cartridge.

9. .300 WIN. MAG. - The worlds’ most popular is the .300 Magnum - the Winchester version, which is in the top 10 on most sales lists. This popularity is evidenced by the strong interest shown in this cartridge by Guns and Shooting Online readers.

10. .243 WINCHESTER - The .243 is one of the lightest recoiling, long-range, medium game cartridges in the world. It is also an effective varmint cartridge. The .243 is a very popular cartridge worldwide number 6th on most lists in North America.
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Re: 315 0r 303 bullet is more deadly

Post by Waquar Ahmad Afaque » Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:45 pm

Thanks a lot Briha for the information provided.
Is any book or pdf format is also available the cartridges used worldwide.


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Re: 315 0r 303 bullet is more deadly

Post by Priyan » Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:22 pm

Dear Waquar Ahmad Afaque,
First start reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_handgun_cartridges and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rifle_cartridges after reading about all the cartridges mentioned there (Clicking the hyperlinked cartridge name would provide more info about the particular cartridge) you should look for a book. Go to your district library as small local libraries are unlikely to have books related to firearms and start reading, Some good books would be Handbook for shooters and reloaders by Parker Ackley, 7.62-mm Primer Propellant Interface Study by Mahmoud Ahmad, Centerfire American Rifle Cartridges 1892-1963 by Ray Bearse etc. An excellent book to start with would be Let’s Start a Cartridge Collection by A. Donald Amesbury it's a very small (about 18 pages if I remember correctly) so newbies won't get bored.
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Re: 315 0r 303 bullet is more deadly

Post by Waquar Ahmad Afaque » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:13 pm

Thanks a lot Priyan for the information provided.

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Re: 315 0r 303 bullet is more deadly

Post by MoA » Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:30 am

Bullets by themselves are not deadly.

When fired out of a weapon it is a different story. It really depends on your skill more than anything else.

The humble .22 lr has accounted for more life taken than any other caliber. From quail to elephants and everything inbetween. :cheers:

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Re: 315 0r 303 bullet is more deadly

Post by Waquar Ahmad Afaque » Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:47 am

Thanks for the information provided, MoA.

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Re: 315 0r 303 bullet is more deadly

Post by timmy » Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:20 am

There are two other important factors in bullet effectiveness I would like to mention:

The first issue is what you intend to shoot with either bullet. There will be very little difference due to cartridge (both have roughly the same performance) or the diameter (both are close to the same diameter), so bullets of the same or nearly the same weight will have roughly the same performance if they are of the same type. For instance, if you are hunting elephant in Africa with either of these guns, you will want to use a solid or full metal jacket bullet. Trying to pierce the elephant's skull and get to the brain, you want as much penetration as you can get. Or, if you are hunting thin-skinned game somewhere other than India, you will want an expanding bullet. You have to use the right bullet for the job you want it to do.

The second issue is the construction of the bullet. The same weight, brand, quality, and construction of bullet in either caliber will have about the same performance from these two cartridges. Bullets of different brands are different. Differences in the thickness, composition, and design of the jacket can have a big influence on the performance of a bullet. For instance, a thicker jacket will sometimes not expand as much.

When all these factors are equal, the performance of these two cartridges will be similar.
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Re: 315 0r 303 bullet is more deadly

Post by Waquar Ahmad Afaque » Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:27 am

Thanks a lot for the information sir.

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Re: 315 0r 303 bullet is more deadly

Post by nagarifle » Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:39 am

both are deadly as both can kill and destroy. that should be the end of the question. unless you are after tech data, then one should try to put that across rather then which is deadly :)

my kids tell me when i break wind its deadly :lol:
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Re: 315 0r 303 bullet is more deadly

Post by dr.jayakumar » Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:24 am

nagarifle wrote:both are deadly as both can kill and destroy. that should be the end of the question. unless you are after tech data, then one should try to put that across rather then which is deadly :)

my kids tell me when i break wind its deadly :lol:
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Re: 315 0r 303 bullet is more deadly

Post by Olly » Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:41 am

Priyan wrote:The .315 cartridge with 244 grain soft nose bullet (IOF common load AFAIK) produces a muzzle energy of 2200 ft·lbf and muzzle velocity of 2010 ft/s
The .303 cartridge with 174 grain HPBT bullet produces a muzzle energy of 2,408 ft·lbf and muzzle velocity of 2,500 ft/s according to Accurate Powder. (Police my use 174 grain FMJ though, Wolf website lists 174 grain FMJ has 2461 ft/s) According to the above info both cartridge has identical ballistics.

The only thing that will determine the 'deadliness' of the cartridge is the skill of the shooter.
I am amazed that the .30-06 Springfield cartridge, commonly available in India, under NPB ammo, has superior ballistics to the .303 categorised as PB :
For Bullet Weight :180 GR ; Muzzle Energy :2915 ft lbs and Muzzle Velocity :2700 fps (Federal 30-06 Springfield 180 Grain Soft Point)

Even a .308 cartridge which is a NPB has superior ballistics than the .303 (a PB) !
For 180 gr : Velocity 2,620 ft/s ; Energy : 2,870 ft·lb !! Nosler .308

What a policy : Cartridges with higher 'fire-power' than PB ones are NPB...!!! Jai Ho !! :)

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