Young Talent denied a shot at the Guwahati National Games

cooldude · Post by **cooldude** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:56 pm

Sanjay";p="14102 wrote: Arindam,
While an All India Lic can be renewed anywhere holds true,local state restriction's apply when such a lic is renewed in a state other than where it was issued.
In short if an All India Lic issued in Bihar is renewed in Delhi,then while it be renewed cause of change in address,it will be valid for Delhi only.The indl will then have to apply for an All India all
over again to the LG.And in these times it's kind of difficult to get it.There are always exception to the rule though.
Thanks
Sanjay

Sanjay. You've got it all wrong. I hope penpusher has been able to enlighten you. Cheers.

Risala · Post by **Risala** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:40 pm

Arindam,
It's debatable cause the laws of the land have many a grey area,and our bureaucracy has a field day interpreting them.
penpusher's response says speaking order needs to be passed,given that the issuing authority or the Lic authority where the indl now resides have the powers to curtail,the question here is whether the
local Lic authority has the power to issue such a speaking order.Eg in Delhi the DCP (Lic) has powers only to recomend a case for all India validity and that to the Home Sec who then recomends to the LG.
The final authority rests with the LG,at the state level I would think it is the Home Sec or Gov.
Dont think any bureaucrat would like to exceed his mandate,esp when it comes to arms.
It would be speculative at best that an All India Lic issued in Delhi was renewed & validated by a DM in Bihar for carriage all over India,knowing that his powers dont go beyond his distt.But then in Bihar nothing would surprise me .
Have known of quite a few cases in the early 90's where offrs were issued All India Lics by the Home Sec Punjab on the reco of the local DM and the jursidiction for carriage was subsequently
restricted to the state where the Lic was next renewed.
Another way to find out would be to register your arms with the local authorities where you now reside.
Best
Sanjay

penpusher · Post by **penpusher** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:01 pm

A licensing authority has the power to vary the terms of the license.He can increase/decrease the no. of cartridges that a licensee can purchase in a year/keep at any given point of time.Temporarily or permanently restrict the area for which the license is valid.Give permission to buy another firearm of the class and de.scription he is entitled to grant a license for.Extend the purchase period for buying such a firearm.He can renew a license for one year instead of the nornal 3.Can grant a purchase period of a coupe of months instead of the normal 1 year(in Punjab).Can suspend and ultimately cancel a license all together.However for making any such change/supension/revocation, he would be required to give valid reasons.Such an order/action is appealable to the authority to whom such appeal lies as per the notification in this regard by the State govt. In Punjab,the appelant authority against the orders of the DM/ADM is the Divisional Commissioner.Finally a person can also approach the civil courts.Therefore the orders of the licensing authority should be such that it holds up to legal scrutiny.

Asif,

In a case where the area for which a license is valid has been curailed by a licensing authority,the normal method would be to appeal to the officer against his order asking for reasons as to why this has been done and citing reasons why the order should be revoked.If this does not succeed,then an appeal can also be made to a higher authority/case filed in a court.

Cooldude,

Why not send the notification to Abhijeet and he can post it here for the benefit of other members.

penpusher

shahid · Post by **shahid** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 1:19 am

Arindam where are U in Bihar. ANd where is Dumariya state , i.e. which district ?

cooldude · Post by **cooldude** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:36 pm

shahid";p="14173 wrote: Arindam where are U in Bihar. ANd where is Dumariya state , i.e. which district ?

Dumaria Estate is in the West Champaran district of Bihar, the District headquarters being Bettiah. It is about 7 Kms. from Ramnagar.

cooldude · Post by **cooldude** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:55 pm

Sanjay. At first there were no limits on the No. of Licenses a person could hold. Then came the rule of one License and there were a lot of protests so finally it was brought to three Licenses per individual. A License once granted is hardly ever tampered with in the sense that no Licensing authority curtails anything on the License except may be in very exceptional circumstances and if they do then they have to give it in writing as why they are doing it. If you apply for an Arms License then if you do not get a License in a months time or your application is rejected then the Licensing authority has to give a valid reason for doing so in writing. For Area extention one has to apply to the Licensing authority who in turn forwards your request to the Home Secretary. Once the permission comes from the Home Secretary then the Licensing Authority enters it on your License by giving reference of the said letter from the Home Secretary. There is a clear guideline in the Central Govt. circular as to the category of person who will be considered for an all India License. A new notification has come out somewhere in 94 or 95 in which clear instructions are given regarding members of NRAI that they should be granted all India Licenses.

cooldude · Post by **cooldude** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:00 pm

penpusher";p="14161 wrote: A licensing authority has the power to vary the terms of the license.He can increase/decrease the no. of cartridges that a licensee can purchase in a year/keep at any given point of time.Temporarily or permanently restrict the area for which the license is valid.Give permission to buy another firearm of the class and de..scription he is entitled to grant a license for.Extend the purchase period for buying such a firearm.He can renew a license for one year instead of the nornal 3.Can grant a purchase period of a coupe of months instead of the normal 1 year(in Punjab).Can suspend and ultimately cancel a license all together.However for making any such change/supension/revocation, he would be required to give valid reasons.Such an order/action is appealable to the authority to whom such appeal lies as per the notification in this regard by the State govt. In Punjab,the appelant authority against the orders of the DM/ADM is the Divisional Commissioner.Finally a person can also approach the civil courts.Therefore the orders of the licensing authority should be such that it holds up to legal scrutiny.

Asif,

In a case where the area for which a license is valid has been curailed by a licensing authority,the normal method would be to appeal to the officer against his order asking for reasons as to why this has been done and citing reasons why the order should be revoked.If this does not succeed,then an appeal can also be made to a higher authority/case filed in a court.

Cooldude,

Why not send the notification to Abhijeet and he can post it here for the benefit of other members.

penpusher

Which notification are you talking about? The one regarding exemption or the one saying that members of NRAI shall be granted an all India License?

Risala · Post by **Risala** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:02 pm

Notifications regarding import and exemptions wrt no of weapons the best can have at any one time are available on their site http://www.nrai.in
No mention of Notification regarding All India Licence for NRAI members.
Arindam if you can get your hands on a copy,perhaps the moderators can post one on IFG.
Thanks
Sanjay

shahid · Post by **shahid** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:27 pm

One of my close friends Prabhat Singh of Alamnagar, Dist, Madhepura has his Sasural here in Bettiah. He is also a Rajput ( Thakur ). His father was Mr. Briendra Kr. Singh. Maybe you know them.

shahid · Post by **shahid** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:29 pm

Holi time in the Bettiah area, Bettiah and NArkatiaganj. I can imagine you guys are having a lot of fun Arindam and I am missing all of the action.

penpusher · Post by **penpusher** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 9:51 pm

cooldude";p="14312 wrote:

Which notification are you talking about? The one regarding exemption or the one saying that members of NRAI shall be granted an all India License?
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About the notification saying that an emminent shot in skeet and/or trap is allowed to keep 2 shotguns for each category

penpusher

Risala · Post by **Risala** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 10:08 pm

penpusher
The top guns get the works.The link below will give you the details.
http://www.nrai.in/notifications.html
Exemption of certain kinds of persons from some provisions of the Arms Act, 1959

penpusher · Post by **penpusher** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 11:53 pm

Sanjay,

Thanks for the link.Interesting.

penpusher

Post by **eljefe** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:43 am

All,
after reading about the exploits of the young man, I would want to change the thread header to something more appropriate- Armless shooter -a bit scary! The lad's going great guns and here's wishing him all the best.
Axx

cooldude · Post by **cooldude** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:47 am

shahid";p="14316 wrote: One of my close friends Prabhat Singh of Alamnagar, Dist, Madhepura has his Sasural here in Bettiah. He is also a Rajput ( Thakur ). His father was Mr. Briendra Kr. Singh. Maybe you know them.

Ask Prabhat about me. He knows me very well.

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