Stray Dog Menace in Big Cities

[jonahpach]

No big secret Mehul.. NE-India Mizoram.

[penpusher]

Killing of dogs is not hunting.Using firearms or even powerful air rifles to kill dogs in cities is a sureshot recipe for disaster.

As far as dangerous animals go,a Magistrate has the authority given by law, to declare an animal as such and to order it's destruction.

Mack The Knife,

Will remember to carry a bucket of water with me at all times.Just in case

penpusher

[Mack The Knife]

Mack The Knife,
Will remember to carry a bucket of water with me at all times.Just in case.

penpusher,

If you are going to carry it at ALL times, might I recommend a 3 litre Camelbak. You could have a drink or two as well.

[Grumpy]

There are several points to be made here that those who advocate allowing the stray dog packs to continue obviously haven`t thought about:
These are STRAY dogs. They are strays because either they have been kicked out by people who didn`t want them, are the progeny of such dogs, or are dogs that are allowed to stray by irresponsible owners. If people wanted to `rescue` individuals they could do so..........but I`ll bet that nobody does.
In the event that such a dog was rescued how could it be trusted ? The owner could have no idea whether the dog had been involved in an attack on people ..... and if it had been it would be quite likely to do so again. Taking such a dog into ones home would not be a sensible or responsible act.
All that is irrelevent anyway because as much as people might advocate the benevolent ideal of re-homing these dogs IT IS NOT HAPPENING. Idealistic/altruistic theory does nothing to ease the problem and during this inactivity the number of stray dogs is increasing and the attacks continue to occur.......and will increase in number. Either people do something positive to re-home the dogs or shut up whilst the packs are humanely destroyed. Doing nothing positive is totally irresponsible. The destruction of such dog packs could not be regarded as sport or hunting. It is culling. The destruction of dangerous vermin and a necessary evil.
Chucking a bucket of water onto a pack of dogs is fine in theory.......providing one carries a large tank of water around with one at all times. Having to run a hundred yards - or more ( the distance is arbitrary and irrelevent ) to collect water is not an option. How long will it take for a pack of dogs to kill a child ? Seconds. By the time someone returns with a container of water a child would be dead or fatally injured.
Water isn`t always effective anyway. One of our pups was a fighter and you could have dropped a lake on him when he was setting about his brother or father and he wouldn`t have noticed. We very nearly had to have him put down as his determination to dominate our domestic `pack` of five was so strong. Not even his castration solved the problem and eventually we re-homed him to a situation where he was the only dog in the family. Happily that worked.
Do you issue your children with comtainers of pepper spray ? Do you carry pepper spray ? So why not ? More impractical theory. More prevarication. More inactivity whilst the dog attacks continue.
Since the subject of coursing has been raised I might as well offer my opinion on that as well. I consider hunting with dogs to be barbaric. Oscar Wilde described Fox hunting as `The pursuit of the inedible by the unspeakable`. I think the same applies to coursing as well.

[Yaj]

My 3 yr old pariah b**ch is a rescue off the streets.She is as good as gold and if anybody thinks rescuing her was an irresponsible act I give two hoots!
As for coursing being cruel it gives the prey more of a sporting chance than shooting with a high powered rifle.And whereas in hunting the trophy animals are taken out of the genetic pool in coursing it is the slower,weaker animals which are taken out.Thus it is much closer to what happens in the wild.One in five hares escapes in coursing and the best hare always beats the best hound.I think thats a damn sight more sporting than shooting with a high powered rifle with high end optics.
As for Oscar Wilde I'm sure you have a lot in common!
Yaj.

[Yaj]

These de.scriptions of stray dogs remind me of tactics used in the past to eliminate voiceless and defenceless minorities.
Vilify and demonise them till cleansing the society of them seems heroic!
Yaj.

[Grumpy]

Hunting only removes the best quality animals from the gene pool if one indulges in trophy hunting. Something that I`ve never done because I have no interest in hanging a load of skulls on my walls. Likewise I exercise the option not to hunt Hares at all because I don`t consider that there are enough locally.
Having a rescue dog is putting your money where your mouth is - good for you.
I guess that you are suggesting that I`m gay ? I can`t say that disturbs me unduly. I`m confident enough in my sexuality not to be concerned with the barbs of a pompous little p***k.

[Yaj]

I guess that you are suggesting that I`m gay ? I can`t say that disturbs me unduly. I`m confident enough in my sexuality not to be concerned with the barbs of a pompous little p***k.

Well resorting to obscenities does speak highly of your breeding and your intellect.
I suppose being a moderator you are more equal than others.
Yaj.

[Grumpy]

Now you really are taking the mickey - you make a snide sexual reference first but I`m resorting to obscenity ?
My being a moderator makes me no better than you or anyone else. Nor does it confer priviliges that you or other members don`t have. If I`m considered out of order here I`ll be reprimanded the same as anyone else.
No one is declaring open season on stray dogs but something has got to be done regarding those dangerous packs. Obviously you consider that the dogs have more rights than the children they attack and kill. Doing nothing is not a sensible option. Just like doing nothing about Tiger conservation isn`t a sensible option. So you`ll soon have have plenty of packs of mangy curs but no Tigers. Good for you.

[Yaj]

Well i was referring to Oscar Wilde's well publicised stand as an Anti.
Any sexual innuendo/slight is entirely your own creation.



"Obviously you consider that the dogs have more rights than the children they attack and kill."
You obviously have your own strange way of gathering inferences from peoples posts.You are welcome to your own opinions.
Yaj.

[Mack The Knife]

Whoa!

Grumpy got his bottom spanked. How delightful!

Just joking, chaps. You are both good eggs, so don't go falling out with each other.

Yaj, the mods are not more equal than others. Their powers of editing and deleting are only to keep posts that would harm IFG off the board and are not to be used for any personal gain.

For what it's worth, I think you would make a damn good mod.

Mack The Knife

[eljefe]

kilkenny cats? was that the term Mack The Knife?
However, I will stand on the roof tops and shout-for appropriate action , including a quick bullet. For the GUILTY PACK , yes.
We gunowners will get tarred and feathered as potential whackos if we take the law in our hands-I too would do the following: tell local police, get a representation signed by the local neighbourhood-then go out and do what has to be done-ensure you dont get hammered for illegal discharge of firearm etc and dont end up as a 'state guest'!
poisoning-difficult to get a 'humane' quick acting poison-so, lets leave it to the authorised departments?
camel bak and 3 liters? lets use it to celebrate after the dust has settled...
Best
Axx
PS-Dont use the neighbours/ gawkers as backstop!

[mehulkamdar]

I am in full agreement with Grumpy on the need to reduce stray dog numbers. Yes, most cities have adoption programs that help the less aggressive strays to be adopted but when there are dogs that cannot be adopted, there is a need to put them down if they threaten people. Human beings matter more than any animal does IMO.

The only thing that could probably keep an attacking dog away is one of the many ultrasound based gadgets that are sold here "Shoo!" being a very popular brand. They emit a sound that humans cannot hear and which is extremely annoying to dogs. I have seen these gadgets frighten dogs of all sizes away, including Rottweilers and Mastiffs. But then, what happens if your son or daughter forgets to take one of these with them when out playing with friends? Or, if one of these with a child has batteries that run out? If the safety of children is something to be made top priority, then removing dogs that could kill them is as important as getting rid of paedophiles and molesters from society.

For the record, I have shot a dog, once - a stray that went crazy and bit five or six people. If I didn't shoot it, it would have been beaten to death by people in the neighbourhood. And I love dogs myself - my own little dog was a rescue dog from the Blue Cross of India. I brought him to the US when I moved here. He will be with me wherever I go. Grumpy has several dogs that he is edxtremely fond of, and one of the highlights of his visit to Chicago was an afternoon that we spent at Montrose Beach where we watched dogs play.

[Grumpy]

No one is advocating the wholesale destruction of stray dogs - well I`m certainly not anyway - nor the inhumane treatment of any stray by using them as target practice.....especially not with air rifles which are totally unsuited for the role. The destruction of known dangerous packs by effective and humane means should be a priority however.
The use of poison is indiscriminate and never guaranteed. Cats, pet dogs, birds, etc might all pick up poisoned baits......and the poison might be transferred even further by birds and animals feeding on poisoned carrion.

[mehulkamdar]

Very true, Grumpy - poisoning was tried by the Wisconsin DNR on cats and found to be devastating on other animals like racoons, possums and foxes. The need is there to humanely destroy aggressive dogs and find a place for the docile ones to be cared for.