powerful airguns

[Mack The Knife]

Thanks, Mehul.

I don't think there will be time to send it to Navdeep now. Best send it with Inder.

Mack The Knife

[Yaj]

You never know, Yaj.

You may have a good 'un. After all, I don't think I have read reports about Patriots in .25 calibre. Whch pellets are you using?

Mack The Knife

Sorry for the late reply!Just recovered from a hard disk crash .


I use Webley Mosquito 19.3 gr pellets. Packs hell of a wallop!
Yaj.

[shahid]

Hows the effective range for . 25 cal air rifles. Any drop at 30 / 35 yards ?

[Mack The Knife]

Thanks, Yaj.

Those Mossies are well made pellets. Probably rebranded Crosman Accupells/Premiers if the inside of the skirt design is anything to go by.

Mack The Knife

[LeadHead]

If your looking for a great powerful Air Rifle get a Dragon Slayer .50.
I have a .25 version of this it delivers awesome power with Eun Jin pellets.
You will get nearly rim fire power, without all the liscence hassels and Ammo restrictions.
You can also use H&N Extra heavy Diabolo pellets.

Check out http://www.americanairgunhunter.com/dragonslayer.html

Please be humane when you use any sort of air guns/small bore rifle, for small game etc,and preferable only go for head shots. Chest shots are avoidable unless at close range.

[danish21]

I don't think that .50 cal air guns are available in india.

Danish

[Yaj]

Hows the effective range for . 25 cal air rifles. Any drop at 30 / 35 yards ?

Sorry I missed your post earlier Shahid,here is an analysis of the .25 Beeman Kodiak which is the same rifle as the Webley Patriot.

http://www.velocitypress.com/BeemanKodiak.shtml


Is a .50 cal air rifle legal in India?
Yaj.

[LeadHead]

Hi
At 25 yards most quality rifles should not have a drop, though you could have some drift due to strong winds.
Infact at that range a 177 is probably the most accurate, and some even come tested to shoot close 1/4 to1/2 inch groups upto
50 meters.

[TC]

LeadHead I cant believe this !!! Hunting hogs wth an air rifle !!!!
I know PCP rifles are crossing the barrier every day. Did not know it has reached this far.. Thanks for sending the link.
We cant buy a dragonslayer across the counter in India and importing one is not exactly a hasslefree exercise.

TC

[Mack The Knife]

TC,

Powerful PCPs were used to pot deer and hogs way back in the 18th century.

It was also used by the Austrians against the Grande Armee.

Mack The Knife

[TC]

Mack The Knife, I remember having read about those rilfes. Are you referring to the ones that used large leather bellows to fill up the cylinders ? If I am not mistaken an American gentleman has the largest collection of bellow powered air rifles. Cant remember his name. Can you please forward me some ready reference if you have them at hand. Want to study the subject again.

TC

[mundaire]

It was also used by the Austrians against the Grande Armee.

Contrary to popular belief, apparently not! If this article on old man Beeman's personal site is to be believed - http://www.beemans.net/Austrian%20airguns.htm

Check it out, makes rather interesting reading

Cheers!
Abhijeet

[mundaire]

Have dug out the relevant bit from the above mentioned web page -

MYTHS ABOUT THE GIRANDONI AIRGUNS

There are several oft-repeated tales about Girandoni system airguns which we now know to be fanciful. Some historical accounts simply are not true or they may contain comments that are not true.

First, One of the most common myths is that Napoleon ordered the hanging of anyone in possession of an airgun. The late Arne Hoff, famed arms historian and curator of the Royal Danish Arsenal, and others, have commented that this story, told as the “eye witness” war experience of French General Mortier, has now been quite thoroughly refuted (Baer, 1973). This story may have grown from the fact that many towns, fearing these unfamiliar, terrifying guns - even without any negative incidents, banned airguns. A death penalty was common for many offenses, so it is possible that some airgunners were put to death. One story relates that the city fathers had a gunsmith, who knew how to make airguns, blinded!

Second, apparently there never was any incident of the air rifles being used against Napoleon’s troops.

Third, it is often related that these guns were silent. A number of city, and other governmental decrees of the 1800s, made the guns illegal, often largely on this basis. I can state from personal firing of a fully-charged museum copy of the Girandoni military air rifle that the discharge sound is quite audible, though by no means as loud as a similar large bore flintlock firearm. However, the fact the guns discharge without smoke or muzzle/pan flash does make locating the position of someone firing such a gun much more difficult. (Modern note: Powerful, modern, silenced, 9mm PCP airguns are being used by U.S. Seals in Iraq to snipe at insurgents. Firing an M-16 at dawn or dusk could attract a lot of return fire to the flash point.)

A GIRAN

[mehulkamdar]

Abhijeet,

Thanks for publishing the Ed and Toshiko Beeman research. We have had this falsehood about air rifles in combat offered by other members right here as well as on forums like Target Talk. The fact is that air rifles did have a brief role in military use during the early years of the muzzleloading era when it was possible for them to be used with rifled barrels while the muskets of the day had to be smoothbores because the poor metallurgy used in their barrels did not allow rifling to remain for very long before shooting wore it out.

There is too much humbug going around about ultra high powered air rifles being vastly more powerful then firearms, mostly nonsensical propaganda from antis in the UK. The last thing we need is for our own crowd to fall victim to this nonsense.

Cheers!

[Mack The Knife]

Mack The Knife, I remember having read about those rilfes. Are you referring to the ones that used large leather bellows to fill up the cylinders?

Yes, those were the original PCPs I was refering to. I am afraid I don't have an online reference regarding these airguns.

Mack The Knife