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Obama: I believe in the 2nd Amendment

Post by m24 » Sat Mar 05, 2011 3:53 pm

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“The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution allows American citizens to carry weapons and this principle is defended,” the Mexican reporter said. “However, President Calderón has said that this law in Congress–this could actually go against U.S. agents, and this has happened. So, President Obama, in Mexico we have the veto, the power of veto. I don’t know how far you have the ability to veto that law that has been approved. And if you have that responsibility, why don’t you do so, sir? How long are we going to allow Mexicans to be murdered–and not just Mexicans, but now Americans, as well?”

Obama responded: “Well, the Second Amendment in this country is part of our Constitution, and the president of the United States is bound by our Constitution. So I believe in the Second Amendment. It does provide for Americans the right to bear arms for their protection, for their safety, for hunting, for a wide range of uses. That does not mean that we cannot constrain gun-runners from shipping guns into Mexico. And so we believe that we can shape an enforcement strategy that slows the flow of guns into Mexico, while at the same time preserving our Constitution.”
Now, I don't know the stand of Obama on gun control, but for a head of state to say that, his numbers just went up in my book.

Are the Indian politicos listening??

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Re: Obama: I believe in the 2nd Amendment

Post by MoA » Sat Mar 05, 2011 4:58 pm

Apparently he also believes in change..

However he is an unfit President in my books.

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Re: Obama: I believe in the 2nd Amendment

Post by SYED833 » Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:04 pm

is he worse than bush??

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Re: Obama: I believe in the 2nd Amendment

Post by nagarifle » Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:21 pm

yes but he is saying that changes are or have been made to prevent gun running to meheco. which means that those who, do not do, gun running are going to pay the penalty for the law which in the first place binds the law abiding citizen and does not prevent the gun runner from running into the arms of the sineritas 8) so in reality same old story under a new heading :cry:

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Re: Obama: I believe in the 2nd Amendment

Post by Vikram » Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:22 pm

He makes a very pertinent point which is to not to infringe on a constitutional right to deal with existing problems with drug related crimes.Try to work efficiently with existing relevant laws to deal.Thanks,M24 for posting this.

Gentleman, the topic is about constitutional rights related to firearms ownership and dealing with crimes.Let us keep it on the topic. If it gets sidetracked into a discussion about politics of the president, this will have to be locked or the irrelevant posts removed. Thank you.

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Re: Obama: I believe in the 2nd Amendment

Post by shooter » Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:59 pm

Gentleman, the topic is about constitutional rights related to firearms ownership and dealing with crimes.Let us keep it on the topic. If it gets sidetracked into a discussion about politics of the president, this will have to be locked or the irrelevant posts removed. Thank you.
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Re: Obama: I believe in the 2nd Amendment

Post by Priyan » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:31 am

Well, I heard Obama was against guns in fact few people purchased more than 1000 AR-15 stripped lowers just in case Obama makes the gun law tighter but actually it didn't happen, the only thing he thought about was permanently implanting the 1994 Assault Weapon ban which expired on 2004 but he didn't actually implanted it. I guess the Democrats are changing their mind after losing the 2010 midterm election. Anyway his numbers on my book neither increased nor decreased.

LOL politics and guns are like the two side of a coin, both turns their back at each other even though they are very close :P
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Re: Obama: I believe in the 2nd Amendment

Post by HSharief » Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:34 pm

I think for both US and India, just implementing existing laws and sticking to the constitution is what is needed. The lawful citizens and residents should be allowed to exercise their rights, this is where the administration needs to help it make it easy for us, on the other side they should enforce existing laws to prevent and make it harder for criminals to acquire guns illegally and smuggle guns across to Mexico. LEOs and babus should use their "sleuth complex" to know who is who.

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Re: Obama: I believe in the 2nd Amendment

Post by goodboy_mentor » Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:03 pm

existing laws to prevent and make it harder for criminals to acquire guns illegally and smuggle guns
This is the mistake we do, no law can ever prevent criminals from acquiring weapons because their business depends on them. These laws are supposedly made to trouble the criminals but in reality trouble the law abiding only. It is only the law abiding who get all the troubles from these laws. Since these laws do not affect criminals, every year these laws are made more and more "strict" ostensibly to create greater difficulty for criminals. This is the clever strategy of antis. On papers Arms Act 1959 was created to make it "difficult" for only the criminals to get arms but everyone knows today that it is next to impossible for the law abiding to get license.

‘‘The right of self-defense is the first law of nature; in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest possible limits. ... and when the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.’’— Saint George Tucker, Judge of the Virginia Supreme Court 1803

‘‘Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.’’ — Thomas Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764
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Re: Obama: I believe in the 2nd Amendment

Post by m24 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:43 pm

More on the subject:

Source: Say Uncle to Arizona Daily Star

President Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms

It's been more than two months since the tragedy in Tucson stunned the nation. It was a moment when we came together as one people to mourn and to pray for those we lost. And in the attack's turbulent wake, Americans by and large rightly refrained from finger-pointing, assigning blame or playing politics with other people's pain.

But one clear and terrible fact remains. A man our Army rejected as unfit for service; a man one of our colleges deemed too unstable for studies; a man apparently bent on violence, was able to walk into a store and buy a gun.
He used it to murder six people and wound 13 others. And if not for the heroism of bystanders and a brilliant surgical team, it would have been far worse.

But since that day, we have lost perhaps another 2,000 members of our American family to gun violence. Thousands more have been wounded. We lose the same number of young people to guns every day and a half as we did at Columbine, and every four days as we did at Virginia Tech.

Every single day, America is robbed of more futures. It has awful consequences for our society. And as a society, we have a responsibility to do everything we can to put a stop to it.

Now, like the majority of Americans, I believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. And the courts have settled that as the law of the land. In this country, we have a strong tradition of gun ownership that's handed from generation to generation. Hunting and shooting are part of our national heritage. And, in fact, my administration has not curtailed the rights of gun owners - it has expanded them, including allowing people to carry their guns in national parks and wildlife refuges.

The fact is, almost all gun owners in America are highly responsible. They're our friends and neighbors. They buy their guns legally and use them safely, whether for hunting or target shooting, collection or protection. And that's something that gun-safety advocates need to accept. Likewise, advocates for gun owners should accept the awful reality that gun violence affects Americans everywhere, whether on the streets of Chicago or at a supermarket in Tucson.

I know that every time we try to talk about guns, it can reinforce stark divides. People shout at one another, which makes it impossible to listen. We mire ourselves in stalemate, which makes it impossible to get to where we need to go as a country.

However, I believe that if common sense prevails, we can get beyond wedge issues and stale political debates to find a sensible, intelligent way to make the United States of America a safer, stronger place.

I'm willing to bet that responsible, law-abiding gun owners agree that we should be able to keep an irresponsible, law-breaking few - dangerous criminals and fugitives, for example - from getting their hands on a gun in the first place.

I'm willing to bet they don't think that using a gun and using common sense are incompatible ideas - that we should check someone's criminal record before he can check out at a gun seller; that an unbalanced man shouldn't be able to buy a gun so easily; that there's room for us to have reasonable laws that uphold liberty, ensure citizen safety and are fully compatible with a robust Second Amendment.

That's why our focus right now should be on sound and effective steps that will actually keep those irresponsible, law-breaking few from getting their hands on a gun in the first place.

• First, we should begin by enforcing laws that are already on the books. The National Instant Criminal Background Check System is the filter that's supposed to stop the wrong people from getting their hands on a gun. Bipartisan legislation four years ago was supposed to strengthen this system, but it hasn't been properly implemented. It relies on data supplied by states - but that data is often incomplete and inadequate. We must do better.

• Second, we should in fact reward the states that provide the best data - and therefore do the most to protect our citizens.

• Third, we should make the system faster and nimbler. We should provide an instant, accurate, comprehensive and consistent system for background checks to sellers who want to do the right thing, and make sure that criminals can't escape it.

Porous background checks are bad for police officers, for law-abiding citizens and for the sellers themselves. If we're serious about keeping guns away from someone who's made up his mind to kill, then we can't allow a situation where a responsible seller denies him a weapon at one store, but he effortlessly buys the same gun someplace else.

Clearly, there's more we can do to prevent gun violence. But I want this to at least be the beginning of a new discussion on how we can keep America safe for all our people.

I know some aren't interested in participating. Some will say that anything short of the most sweeping anti-gun legislation is a capitulation to the gun lobby. Others will predictably cast any discussion as the opening salvo in a wild-eyed scheme to take away everybody's guns. And such hyperbole will become the fodder for overheated fundraising letters.

But I have more faith in the American people than that. Most gun-control advocates know that most gun owners are responsible citizens. Most gun owners know that the word "commonsense" isn't a code word for "confiscation." And none of us should be willing to remain passive in the face of violence or resigned to watching helplessly as another rampage unfolds on television.

As long as those whose lives are shattered by gun violence don't get to look away and move on, neither can we.
We owe the victims of the tragedy in Tucson and the countless unheralded tragedies each year nothing less than our best efforts - to seek consensus, to prevent future bloodshed, to forge a nation worthy of our children's futures.

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Re: Obama: I believe in the 2nd Amendment

Post by Priyan » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:58 pm

It's not confirmed til now if Mr. Loughner purchased the Glock19 from "Sportsman's Warehouse". Even if he did purchase the weapon the laws don't need to be changed. The stores should be sued as they may have ignored the rule of NICS (National Instant Criminal Background Check System) while selling the handgun.

No need of more restrictive gun laws, They just need to enforce the NICS better

Oh, Another failure of Brady Campaign to control guns. BTW doesn't James Brady has bodyguards armed with guns? I heard his wife brought a 30-06 for her son too. It's we the normal people get disarmed, not the anti-gun politicians and the criminals.
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Re: Obama: I believe in the 2nd Amendment

Post by goodboy_mentor » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:50 pm

It's we the normal people get disarmed, not the anti-gun politicians and the criminals.
Anti gun politicians and tyrants only need excuse to trick the people to disarm themselves. This has always been the case from day one of civilization.

"Both the oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of arms." - Aristotle

"Only an armed people can be truly free. Only an unarmed people can ever be enslaved."- Aristotle

‘‘Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.’’— Thomas Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764
That's why our focus right now should be on sound and effective steps that will actually keep those irresponsible, law-breaking few from getting their hands on a gun in the first place.
Very nice sugar coated trap to fool the people into submission. This is how the gradual downward slide begins and the people are rarely able to figure this out. This is what happened in India. Arms Act 1959 was devised to prevent only the criminals from getting arms. This is what one of the objectives of Arms Act 1959 says:

"(ii) that weapons for self-defence are available for all citizens under license unless their antecedents or propensities do not entitle them for the privilege;"

and now see law abiding are not able to get legal arms, criminals get all manner of illegal arms.
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Re: Obama: I believe in the 2nd Amendment

Post by Priyan » Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:39 am

goodboy_mentor wrote:
It's we the normal people get disarmed, not the anti-gun politicians and the criminals.
Anti gun politicians and tyrants only need excuse to trick the people to disarm themselves. This has always been the case from day one of civilization.

"Both the oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of arms." - Aristotle

"Only an armed people can be truly free. Only an unarmed people can ever be enslaved."- Aristotle

‘‘Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.’’— Thomas Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764
That's why our focus right now should be on sound and effective steps that will actually keep those irresponsible, law-breaking few from getting their hands on a gun in the first place.
Very nice sugar coated trap to fool the people into submission. This is how the gradual downward slide begins and the people are rarely able to figure this out. This is what happened in India. Arms Act 1959 was devised to prevent only the criminals from getting arms. This is what one of the objectives of Arms Act 1959 says:

"(ii) that weapons for self-defence are available for all citizens under license unless their antecedents or propensities do not entitle them for the privilege;"

and now see law abiding are not able to get legal arms, criminals get all manner of illegal arms.
:agree: This is the trap that people falls into. And those so called "Messenger of god" starts to say arms only causes violence. Believe in god, he'll save you. Somehow I don't believe in this. If god hates arms why he gave us two arms and a trigger finger? Don't know about other cultures but according to our holy books god himself fought many times.
When people say about more restrictive gun laws to stop felons and mentally retarded person from owning guns, Seung Hui Cho pops into my mind. I don't think any laws would stop felons, mentally ill persons and criminals from owning guns if they set their mind on owning one. They just means more harassment to legal gun owners.

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Re: Obama: I believe in the 2nd Amendment

Post by xl_target » Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:16 am

goodboy_mentor wrote:....... no law can ever prevent criminals from acquiring weapons .......
This, above, is the crux of the whole gun control thing. Once you understand this, you realize why gun control laws only impact the law abiding.
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Re: Obama: I believe in the 2nd Amendment

Post by Hunter65 » Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:22 am

Double speak, nothing more.

Please look into his past words and deeds on firearms and tell me what conclusion do you come to? Look into our Govt's recent import restrictions (M1's & M1 Carbines from South Korea) and the EPA proposal dealing with lead in projectiles and ranges, to name a few.

Please remeber the media in this country have a great distain to firearm ownership, so when you read any information dealing with firearms keep that in mind.

The old saying comes to mind "a lepord can not change his spots"

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