I want a gun!

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Re: I want a gun!

Post by Subal das » Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:42 pm

SYED833 wrote:He got it right in one point though...that NAGRI needs a walking, talking icon..some one with mass appeal..some one who can change the public view about guns as self defence tools,and not to mention..NAGRI needs a budget..a big one at that..

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NAGRI represents interests of a public and as such can play liaison role between industry ans legislators. Out dated laws is a problem for everyone, and biz worth of usd billions are locked. To unlock it is in common interests of industries and public represented by NAGRI. Once you understand the role you can play in conflict you may get very good budget no doubts, but mostly passing trough :wink:

One example of another social phenomena poverty: You cant eliminate poverty by showing adds on TV with BigA distributing free rice. It will not work because poverty is not an issue, issues is disproportionate distribution of wealth generated from natural resources or by any other means. But you can eliminate poverty by empowering woman !! Number of examples around the world one such example Bangladesh. How that worked? same way interests of public been connected to interest of industry.
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Re: I want a gun!

Post by SYED833 » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:37 pm

sure that opening up of small arms manufacture to private industry or import restriction being lifted will ease things a bit..but i seriously do feel that, we, in india, have a minority and a disadvantage as far as number of people interested in owning guns legaly is concerned.,same goes for the number of people willing to fight for there right to own them..now,for example, a mass campaign by a famous and influential politician can change and motivate a lot of people,and educate them of there rights..{costs money,,hell of a lot of it :D }
Change in laws of the land,only possible by the number of people who are willing to fight for that change..

in india,a country of more than a BILLION, let me dare say,if FIVE LAKH people,interested in guns and there rights,,divided in different states and union Territory's, with out proper guidence..even if they are willing to fight for change , will it make any difference??

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Post by Subal das » Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:53 pm

SYED833 wrote:sure that opening up of small arms manufacture to private industry or import restriction being lifted will ease things a bit..but i seriously do feel that, we, in india, have a minority and a disadvantage as far as number of people interested in owning guns legaly is concerned.,same goes for the number of people willing to fight for there right to own them..now,for example, a mass campaign by a famous and influential politician can change and motivate a lot of people,and educate them of there rights..{costs money,,hell of a lot of it :D }
Change in laws of the land,only possible by the number of people who are willing to fight for that change..

in india,a country of more than a BILLION, let me dare say,if FIVE LAKH people,interested in guns and there rights,,divided in different states and union Territory's, with out proper guidence..even if they are willing to fight for change , will it make any difference??
not so many people interested in guns because there is no affordable guns and licensing process seems like something near impossible or unachievable. so people not interested in guns because of current situation it is not primary but secondary to situation itself. if situation in license/price/availability domain did not change propagating guns culture does not make any sense. nevertheless such propaganda can be very successful in India even without any iconic figure behind it. there is a lot of elite members of society on national and regional levels who been marginalized and psychologically alienated from the system. those people potentially can be a good educators and interested to propagate gun culture. NAGRI should identify such personalities, subscribe then to the cause and provide them educational materials and propaganda packages.

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Re: I want a gun!

Post by SYED833 » Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:22 pm

Subal das wrote:
SYED833 wrote:sure that opening up of small arms manufacture to private industry or import restriction being lifted will ease things a bit..but i seriously do feel that, we, in india, have a minority and a disadvantage as far as number of people interested in owning guns legaly is concerned.,same goes for the number of people willing to fight for there right to own them..now,for example, a mass campaign by a famous and influential politician can change and motivate a lot of people,and educate them of there rights..{costs money,,hell of a lot of it :D }
Change in laws of the land,only possible by the number of people who are willing to fight for that change..

in india,a country of more than a BILLION, let me dare say,if FIVE LAKH people,interested in guns and there rights,,divided in different states and union Territory's, with out proper guidence..even if they are willing to fight for change , will it make any difference??
not so many people interested in guns because there is no affordable guns and licensing process seems like something near impossible or unachievable. so people not interested in guns because of current situation it is not primary but secondary to situation itself. if situation in license/price/availability domain did not change propagating guns culture does not make any sense. nevertheless such propaganda can be very successful in India even without any iconic figure behind it. there is a lot of elite members of society on national and regional levels who been marginalized and psychologically alienated from the system. those people potentially can be a good educators and interested to propagate gun culture. NAGRI should identify such personalities, subscribe then to the cause and provide them educational materials and propaganda packages.

many things can be done
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Precisely..without mass appeal and support.,any cause cannot survive..i would love a day when ordinary n common people like me can walk into a collectors office and apply for a weapon licence, and with the conviction that they will be granted a licence,not because of there connections , but because the law entitles them to have it..still wishfull thinking though :D
hope it would be possible with in my life time..

syed..

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Re: I want a gun!

Post by prashantsingh » Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:37 am

How could I miss this one.
I decent article in a desi magazine to START with. Hope there are more to come in the future.
.......and the best part is that half of it covers the local boy from Doon . Capt Rakshit Sharma and his family.
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Re: I want a gun!

Post by captrakshitsharma » Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:13 am

Doc saab u said it like an unmistakable doon boy.. my wife is offended u give her no credit... she feels she is the female face of RKBA India n the article focuses on her mostly.... lol ...She says doon boys always will be the same... Happy to see another doon boy being written about... Its like me getting excited every time i see a doon numberplate car in delhi/gurgaon..lol
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Re: I want a gun!

Post by kenhypno » Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:01 am

i totally agree !
not so many people interested in guns because there is no affordable guns and licensing process seems like something near impossible or unachievable. so people not interested in guns because of current situation it is not primary but secondary to situation itself. if situation in license/price/availability domain did not change propagating guns culture does not make any sense. nevertheless such propaganda can be very successful in India even without any iconic figure behind it. there is a lot of elite members of society on national and regional levels who been marginalized and psychologically alienated from the system. those people potentially can be a good educators and interested to propagate gun culture. NAGRI should identify such personalities, subscribe then to the cause and provide them educational materials and propaganda packages.many things can be done

it is still out of reach of a middle class man just affluent and people with contacs to netas have it all figured out! :cry:

‘‘Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.’’
— Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764 ! but alas i dont own one :cry:
"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." -- The Dalai Lama, (May 15, 2001, The Seattle Times)

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