I want a gun!

[SYED833]

He got it right in one point though...that NAGRI needs a walking, talking icon..some one with mass appeal..some one who can change the public view about guns as self defence tools,and not to mention..NAGRI needs a budget..a big one at that..

syed..

[TwoRivers]

Not pro-gun at all, not even neutral, but cleverly pretending to be neutral be by quoting Lott, and the so-called studies that allegedly disprove Lott's work. His mentioning of the moronic and absurd suggestion, that you can conclude from Lott's study, that by eliminating elderly minority women, crime can be reduced, only shows the mind set of the antis, totally discrediting themselves with absurdities. The fact that totally ridiculous conclusions can be drawn from a study does not discredit the study, only the moron who draws that conclusion.

[essdee1972]

Captain Sir, Good on you and your family! And kudos to your sister for braving the Scorpio fellows! After that kind of experience, no one can fault her for asking for a AK, far less a small pistol!
Why can't we get ONE journalist in this country who actually does the "free and fearless reporting" that is their so-called code?
Note the slight negative connotations in the entire report - Sharma clan (not family) - "clan" has slightly negative undertones than "family", and that too the usage is for a family consisting of a retired Army Doctor, a Pilot, and a BPO middle manager, I mean, how less "clannish" can you get? Note also the repeated emphasis on "North India", as if this is the Wild Wild West? Does he mean to say that rape, murders, et al do not occur in rest of India??? And the implication that women would shoot full of holes guys who look a little rough, or haven't used deodorant, is a little too much!
Someone tell the journo, that "the facade of research and the gloss of foreign study" is exactly something which he is doing, quoting Schelling's game theory, and his oh-so-authoritative friend at DU!
Sorry if I have raised any hackles at the journalistic fraternity and DU Profs. Can't resist when I come upon a totally uninformed chap trying to sound knowledgeable and sarcastic about something he knows absolutely nothing!
Regards,
EssDee

[captrakshitsharma]

Thx buddy...we all expressed our opinions and stand by what we all believe to be our fundamental right and our choice to exercise our rights. We will be sending a letter to the editor pointed out the errors in the article and some points that you mentioned....The only good i see is that people are actually talking about this issue.. opinions are a matter of personal perceptions and they can be changed with healthy discussions and bringing forward different perspectives. What is important is awareness and discussions on the issue. Our man Avirook has most carefully and smartly left out some very good points raised the first day by Mr. Rahoul Rai and Mr. Abhijeet Singh when we all had met him and his team for the first time. Infact the credit goes to these gentlemen for this and similar articles and reporting coming out from the media in the past and what we will see in the future.

[winnie_the_pooh]

Intellectual arrogance at it's best.I think google played a very important role in his 'research'.

[captrakshitsharma]

Yeah brother amen to that .. I am Banking on google to do the research for my next PHD. lol

[winnie_the_pooh]

As Mark Twain said "If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." Nothing can better illustrate the truth of this statement than this article.My sympathies for those who thought they could educate an obvious p***k.

Let me guess,he is a limp wristed,pigeon chested,chicken necked jholawala types with a head that looks out of proportion to the rest of him.The intellectual arrogance is to compensate for what he lacks physically.The only exercise he probably gets is when he is #@?%!$& ^*(.He is in obvious disdain for anything that can be called 'manly' in the conventional sense.

[captrakshitsharma]

Man as much as i disagree with him and his opinion thats a bit harsh.... Though i totally understand ur sentiments tooo

[gitana]

Incredibly smug fool...

Intellectual arrogance at it's best.

+1

Whats this magazine anyway? whats its circulation? I read its a RPG group company, founded by Ram Prasad Goenka. He is not Ram Nath Goenka, founder of the Indian Express with its famous tagline - journalism of courage. As a business, maintaining status quo will be their first principle, not upsetting the apple cart! The bias is evident...

[captrakshitsharma]

well it d be nice if u all send letters to the editor expressing your views

[goodboy_mentor]

Yes let us all email our views to the editor. I have emailed to the editor expressing my views, in addition to the views(http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php ... 66#p126047) I had emailed earlier.

[hamiclar01]

If you go back to the "piece" , as the author calls it, you will note he smugly says he :

i. is following this discussion on IFG. It sure will be interesting how he twists these opinions in his next half baked piece. Us poor immature gun lovers getting in a tizzy on his iconoclastic work.

ii. Says he did not follow Goodbye mentor's rebuttals. He would only go through them if someone put a gun to his head. Makes me wonder, that if he has no patience to go through the laws of the country, the laws he actually is trying to focus on, did he even read the papers he is so freely fond of quoting, including one by an "incredibly naive chap"

[Subal das]

as I can see there is two ways how situation with gun ownership can change

1. promoting reforms in legislations and involving personalities who can influence such reforms

2. changing the way how different institutions fit together

first way can be quite unsuccessful in Indian context. IF some Indian politicians will start promoting guns he would rather loose his political weight then gain, why he will do that. Fear and insecurity may increase number of people who want guns, but most of them will be dead in natural course of live, before they will get what they want. That approach may take 200 years to bring real change in gun ownership situation in India.

second approach much more realistic, let say private company get right to manufacture small arms, they will be interested to easy licensing process and influence changes in legislation and here is example of interaction between different institutions. in other way let say, law is changed and any body can buy a gun. Waiting time for IOF guns will be 10 years and it will cost 10 lakhs. how many more guns will be owned and sold, not much. In fact that will be disaster. But then there will be need to allow private manufactures enter in gun biz. so the real change possible via changing the way how different institutions fit together.

my 2c.

[goodboy_mentor]

I agree private manufactures should be manufacturing arms in this country, not only for RKBA but also for a healthy competition and innovation. Due to lack of competition, the Indian Ordnance Factories are churning out outdated, poor quality arms that are extortionately priced.

Legislative effort can also work in this country, if wisely pursued. Believe me, in this country there is a very large number of people, who would like to keep arms for their self defense. The problem is:

1) Most of the people in this country are not aware that the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is their Constitutionally guaranteed fundamental right under Articles 19 and 21.

2) People are not well organized so that they can give a clear message across to MPs/MLAs that if they want their vote, they have to make things reasonable and efficient for RKBA.

He got it right in one point though...that NAGRI needs a walking, talking icon..some one with mass appeal..some one who can change the public view about guns as self defense tools,and not to mention..NAGRI needs a budget..a big one at that..

It is a fact that popular God-men/religious leaders etc. in this country have a very large follower base. Because of this large follower base, MPs/MLAs before elections are known to seek "blessings" from these God-men/religious leaders, so that these God-men/religious leaders publicly utter some words of "support" to their "blessed" MPs/MLAs. Probably we have to seek "support" from God-men/religious leaders, so that they can invoke their "Terms and Conditions" with clauses for RKBA in their "blessings" given to MPs/MLAs.

[nagarifle]

eh the blessing of ? how many lacs do we need to dole out

gents let us not forget the one rule of the forum. attack the post and not the author. this should also be used when dealing with the media.

"he is a limp wristed,pigeon chested,chicken necked jholawala types with a head that looks out of proportion to the rest of him."

is that confirmed