Arms Amendment Bill - circulated in Parliament yesterday

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Re: Arms Amendment Bill - circulated in Parliament yesterday

Post by mundaire » Mon Aug 23, 2010 9:48 pm

It is important to note that this Arms Amendment Bill is an eyewash, which has only one goal - to legitimise the illegal MHA order of 31st March 2010, through which the Ministry in effect changed the law without taking the parliament into confidence!

The Amendment itself has only one major flaw, which is - NO provision for issuing an arms license in an emergency, in case someone really has a "grave & imminent threat to their life", as the quickest one can hope to have a license issued would be 2 months!

As others have pointed out - what is REALLY BOTHERSOME is Point No. 3 under the "Statement of Objects & Reasons"

Feel free to use/ circulate the following brief note, prepared with MPs in mind - you can tweak it depending on to whom you are sending it:
We wish to bring to your kind notice that, in the guise of moving a minor amendment to the Arms Act, ostensibly to make police verification mandatory, the Ministry of Home Affairs has quietly moved to change other important aspects of the the law with the goal of undermining every citizen's legal right to keep and bear arms. Even though the Arms Act does not allow it to do so, the Ministry has formulated an "Arms Policy" which has in effect changed the law and how it is implemented, without seeking parliamentary approval or following proper procedures. The Ministry has sent a circular to all State/ UT Home Deptt.'s ordering that this new policy be followed strictly with immediate effect.

1) It is IMPORTANT to NOTE that while the Arms Act gives the Central Govt. the power to make rules, which MUST then be approved by parliament within a stipulated time period - there is NO provision for making policy without parliamentary approval. Why is it that the Ministry has not made the changes it seeks to make a part of this Amendment to the Arms Act? Is it because the Ministry fears that the parliament would not approve the changes it wishes to make and so an attempt to bypass parliament is being made?

2) The very basis of the new Arms Policy is the flawed assumption that “The proliferation of arms, whether licensed or illegal, vitiates the ‘Law and Order’ situation” – what is not made clear is how the Ministry has arrived at this conclusion. In fact the Ministry has admitted in parliament that it has conducted no study/ assessment linking firearms to rise in crime rate. Such statements are also a direct insult to the lacs of honest law-abiding citizens who keep & bear arms responsibly, by equating them to common criminals.

3) The new Arms Policy requires a citizen to prove grave & imminent threat to life prior to grant of arms license. This is an attempt to illegally amend the relevant Sections of the Arms Act which clearly outline conditions under which arms license applications are to be approved or denied. Also, proving grave & imminent threat is impossible for an ordinary citizen and will lead to large scale corruption as well as denying honest middle class citizens the only means with which to protect themselves. This despite the Arms Act 1959 stating as one of it's primary objectives to make it easier for law abiding citizens to own arms for self-defence & sport. The arms license application criteria should be objective and any citizen who is not disqualified should be automatically approved. This is the only way to ensure the process is free of fear or favour.

4) The new Arms Policy directly changes the existing Arms Rules 1962, without following proper procedure – (a) by changing the relevant authority for issuing All India Validity arms licenses, which was previously the State Govt. and has now for all (non VIP) cases been made the MHA, Govt. of India. (b) by introducing a new class system within the law, by allowing State Govt.'s to continue to issue All India Validity arms licenses ONLY for a select ruling elite. Besides everything else, this sort of discriminatory policy is against the very spirit of the Arms Act as well as the Indian Constitution.

There is a need to go into the proper depth of causes or solutions this new Amendment to the Arms Act and Arms Policy aim to address. We strongly request that the proposed Arms Amendment Bill and the Ministry's Arms Policy be immediately referred to the Home Committee for detailed study, comments and suggestions.
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Re: Arms Amendment Bill - circulated in Parliament yesterday

Post by Virendra S Rathore » Tue Aug 24, 2010 2:14 pm

I found this place where some lawyers were discussing it as well.
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/R ... -22017.asp
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Re: Arms Amendment Bill - circulated in Parliament yesterday

Post by goodboy_mentor » Tue Aug 24, 2010 5:17 pm

Had a word on phone with an important office bearer at headquarters of a political party in Delhi, he was not aware about the Arms Amendment Bill to be presented in parliament on Wednesday. Sent him email at official email of party, he said he will read it tomorrow before parliament opens, since party office is closed today.
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Re: Arms Amendment Bill - circulated in Parliament yesterday

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Re: Arms Amendment Bill - circulated in Parliament yesterday

Post by m24 » Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:11 am

Jeff Cooper advocated four basic rules of gun safety:
1) All guns are always loaded. Even if they are not, treat them as if they are.
2) Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
3) Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target.
4) Identify your target, and what is behind it.

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Re: Arms Amendment Bill - circulated in Parliament yesterday

Post by psm » Sat Sep 11, 2010 4:39 pm

Any good news on this front??
Please update.
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Re: Arms Amendment Bill - circulated in Parliament yesterday

Post by jpc » Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:17 pm

Arms Amendment Bill No.102 of 2010 has been circulated in Parliament to amend the Arms Act , 1959 with the Statement of Objects and Reasons.

In the present propesed bill , particullarly Para No.3 of the STATEMENT OF OBJECTS AND REASONS is very objectionable and should be opposed by the Members of Parliament as it shows that the Government of India has loosed his confidence in public of the country saying that the "proliferation of arms and ammunition , whether licensed or not , in the country disrupt the social order and development , vitiate the law and order sistuation, directly contribute towards lethality of violent acts".
The proposed amendment is wholy unjustifiable against the present STATEMENT OF OBJECTS AND REASONS of Arms Act , 1959 where para No.4 (ii) reads " that weapons for self -defence are available for all citizens under license unless their antecedents or propenstites do not entitle them for the privileage, Para no. 4( d )reads "to recognize the right of the State to requisition the services of every citizen in national emergencies. The licences and permit holders for firearms , shikaris , target shooters and rifle-men in general in appropriate age group will be off great service to the country in emergencies , if the Government can properly mobilize and utilize them".
The present para no.3 of proposed amendment bill will debar the general & law abiding citizens of the country to protect his life from anti-social and anti-terrorist elements.
In our view , perhabes Mr.Chidambaram in not living in country or has closed his eye or they never faced any threat as always in force protection. What happening in Delhi , Noida , he is fully unaware . He wants to put life of all citizens in danger making such type of amendment.

Such type of amendments should be kicked back by the Members of Parliament seeing the interest of the general public when the Central Government as well as any State Government of the country is not capable to protect the life of individuals.

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Re: Arms Amendment Bill - circulated in Parliament yesterday

Post by psm » Sun Sep 12, 2010 1:03 pm

Why not National/State level rifle/shooting associations raising their voice against this proposed amendment???

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Does anybody get in touch with ace shooters like Abhinav Bindra on this issue to know views??

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Re: Arms Amendment Bill - circulated in Parliament yesterday

Post by Karnasingh Ghorpade » Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:23 pm

Shooting associations are usually able to sidestep this because of the provisions for competition shooters, so it is unlikely they will go out of the way and confront the MHA. The MHA has also cleverly attempted to get law makers on it's side by exempting MP's, MLA's etc, but fortunately many have not opted for the soft option but instead have openly opposed this bill.

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Re: Arms Amendment Bill - circulated in Parliament yesterday

Post by goodboy_mentor » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:10 am

Gentlemen, this Arms Amendment Bill 2010 is an eyewash. Actual aim is to legalize the illegal order of MHA dated 31.3.2010 under the guise of making police verification mandatory. Please note Para No.3 of the STATEMENT OF OBJECTS AND REASONS of the Bill and point no. 3 in the MHA order. It is exactly the same. It is good that MPs have been warned. If anyone of you know the MPs, do warn them of this clever game of MHA to fool the Parliament. MHA has been whittling down the rights of people slowly and steadily over the years. Now it has shamelessly come to this point of completely denying firearms to citizens.
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Re: Arms Amendment Bill - circulated in Parliament yesterday

Post by Karnasingh Ghorpade » Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:09 pm

What we have to keep in mind is the the HM had tried the same when he was a jr HM, and hence it is more a case of personal bias than any logical or scientifically documented decision making. If I recollect, the remark made about 20+ years ago was that citizens do not need weapons as the Police are there for their protection. It is shameful that even after so many decades of independence the rights of the people of this country are dependent upon such colonial and petty thinking that exists even today at the highest levels of governemnt.

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Re: Arms Amendment Bill - circulated in Parliament yesterday

Post by sa_ali » Mon Sep 20, 2010 12:31 pm

Any update on it.

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Re: Arms Amendment Bill - circulated in Parliament yesterday

Post by Vikram » Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:42 pm

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Re: Arms Amendment Bill - circulated in Parliament yesterday

Post by hamiclar01 » Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:39 pm

is this the updated version Viks? Can't see a date. When did this come out?
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Re: Arms Amendment Bill - circulated in Parliament yesterday

Post by Anand » Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:32 pm

This has been put up on the Home Ministry web page, it has been there for some time!
Vikram can you clarify?
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