Arms and the nation

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Re: Arms and the nation

Post by nagarifle » Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:21 pm

hvj1 wrote:Lets as many of us give a fitting broadside to this pseudo intellectual fart.
i think that s not the way to go about. if a gent or lady is not having a full facts then one should point them in the right way. wining friends should be the aim. enemies are two a penny and plenty to be had. :D

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Re: Arms and the nation

Post by hvj1 » Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:24 pm

hmmm...... sometimes Nags, you really can be coherent :D Jokes apart, I accept your point, no use getting their balls in an uproar! :lol:

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Re: Arms and the nation

Post by Nitro Express » Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:31 pm

A couple of weeks back I had gone to meet the District Collector and the Secretary Home Deptt. for some licencing issue.Before I could explain to them the situation, both of them flashed out the four page MHA recomendation on The Arms Act.

It took me a while and a lot of patience to explain to them that these are recomendations which are yet to be passed by the house.

Somebody competent from Delhi ought to get in touch with the State Licencing Authorities informing them what is applicable and what is not out of the MHA recomendations.

The way the state of affairs are right now, such articles in the media will only make the situation worse.

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Re: Arms and the nation

Post by Virendra S Rathore » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:29 pm

There's no other way to thrash back on his article, so I've posted a feedback to Telegraph. I've mainly used the points of hvj1.

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The article is disguised between the modest legal fire-arm ownership in India and the violence rampant because of illegal arms in hands of militants and criminals.
Regarding the use of Mahatma Gandhi's quote - There is absolutely no ambiguity in it, read whatever way and part of it be. The message is loud and clear. "The hour of trial", as mentioned, clearly refers to any attack on this country by another, so far our defense forces have countered all such attacks with aplomb. There have been numerous instances, where, civilians in the initial stages of the attacks have countered the invading armies with their own legally issued weapons, providing a 'holding action', till such time the regular armies moved in.
That is one of the reasons, you will find, states like Punjab, Rajasthan, J.K. Arunachal Pradesh, who have faced the initial brunt of these attacks, carrying weapons openly. Now what else would you expect from the legally armed civilians , have they not stood up and be counted?
Also, in northern states, like Bihar, U.P. Haryana the first line of protection from dacoits is to be fenced by the common man, hence the open carrying of arms for purpose of self defense.
Sir, self-defense is not only a right of the citizenry, it is their responsibility. This individual accountability cannot be delegated.
The state and its law enforcement agencies are an organized deterrence to prevent organized crime. What about the random acts of violence an innocent citizen could face anytime anywhere in this country.


I find your statement, that infers that southern states are more aligned towards stricter arms acts and perhaps , as you would personally like it- to defrock the civilian populace of all legal arms as DIVISIVE.
I'd like to enlighten here that women in Bhatinda and in a village of Madhya Pradesh have all stood up and asked their administration for fire-arm licenses, so that they can protect themselves adequately. I hope you've read the story of Rukhsar, from J&K, the brave girl who snatched the weapon from a terrorist and shot him?
The gun is just a piece of metal like any other. Result depends on the hand using it - be it of a thug or a law abiding civilian. Why are you stopping the hand of a civilian?
Please do some research on the matter before hoisting your opinion on the public at large.
Do not write for the sake of writing. You are equating law abiding citizenry with thugs on a matter where fundamental rights are at stake.
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Re: Arms and the nation

Post by cottage cheese » Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:56 pm

Virendra S Rathore wrote:
his fearsome command of facts

???? .. Somehow, I don't see it :?:
was being sarcastic... :) ... for got to add the quotes.
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Re: Arms and the nation

Post by hvj1 » Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:51 pm

Dear Virendra,
Your article is certainly an IMPROVEMENT on mine and I thank you for the same. Frankly, I really hope that more distinguished gentlemen, who have facts on their finger tips, give a fitting rebuttal to this person. When people like Mundaire, Rahul Rai, M24 and others are batting out there in Delhi, in the Parliament, it behoves us to do our teeny weeny bit by letting people like nayar know, that they cannot shoot of their mouths as they have been wont to do, without a strong reply. The next time people like nayar want to issue an opinion, they will pause and either do their home work or bloody SHUT UP.
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Re: Arms and the nation

Post by kanwar76 » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:23 pm

Looks like Mr. Nayar is as clueless about gun laws as he was about American way of greeting “Happy 15th" :roll:

I don’t see a way to post a comment on the article but I am going send my feedback on the article to editor and urge all members to do same. As hvj1 said this will at least make these journalists think twice before shooting their pen off (Pun intended)

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Re: Arms and the nation

Post by nagarifle » Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:55 am

gents, like i said before, no need to make enemies of the media, good or bed. just educated them of the facts. also one should keep in the frame of not attacking the writer but the article written should be corrected gently.

remember that todays enemies can be tomorrow friend, if one treats them with some respect.

do not misunderstand me, one can tear apart the writer and one will have life long anti.

otherwise well done for correcting the gent with the pen :D
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Re: Arms and the nation

Post by Nitro Express » Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:21 am

Nagarifle

Age definitely has its benefits – Maturity.I second your views on the media regarding the issue.

If we can feed the media with the correct information or content (I see no reason why we cannot)we can work things to our advantage.

It is about time all of us start creating a lobby in the media regarding this.

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Re: Arms and the nation

Post by hvj1 » Thu Aug 19, 2010 9:53 am

Nags, Nitro, Kanwar, I am with you guys, lets work out a common policy/ framework and lets stick to it while replying to such articles.
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Re: Arms and the nation

Post by Nitro Express » Thu Aug 19, 2010 10:13 am

hvj1 wrote:Nags, Nitro, Kanwar, I am with you guys, lets work out a common policy/ framework and lets stick to it while replying to such articles.
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For starters let us ensure that the NAGRI press release is published in the local dailies.Once that is done, more intense things can follow.

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