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WHAT TO EXPLAIN TO YOUR Members of Parliament

Post by mundaire » Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:57 pm

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WHAT TO EXPLAIN TO MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT - about the proposed Amendments to the Arms Act

a) You should first explain the background of what is happening as outlined in the last e-mail

b) You should NEXT draw attention to the fact that the Ministry of Home Affairs, DID NOT properly publicise it's new policy (for feedback) and what little public feedback it received despite this poor publicity it completely disregarded.

c) SPECIAL ATTENTION should be drawn to the fact that the Ministry completely bypassed parliament and went ahead and issued a directive to the various State/ UT Home Departments ordering them to commence following the so called new arms policy with immediate effect. This despite the fact that any changes made to the Arms Act need to be first approved by Parliament before they can be implemented. Even any changes to the Arms Rules are required to be tabled before parliament within a stipulated period of time. It should also be noted that the date this order was issued (31st March 2010), the Parliament was very much in session - yet it was kept in the dark.

Now coming to specific criticisms of the policy and questions that the Hon'able Members of Parliament need to ask the Ministry:

They should ask the Ministry -

1) (a) Why a directive was issued ordering State/ UT Home Departments to immediately implement the so called new arms policy, WITHOUT placing before the parliament the required amendments to the Arms Act and Arms Rules? What was the urgency?

(b)Does the ministry have credible evidence that Arms License Holders were an immediate threat to the nation that such a strict policy should be immediately implemented in direct contraventions of all norms and bypassing the required procedures? If so, what is this credible evidence?

(c) Total no. of cases of violent crime over the past 5 years in which Licensed Arms were used?

(d) Over the past 5 years in what percentage of total (violent crime) cases were licensed arms used? What percentage were unlicensed Arms?

2) The Ministry contends that Licensing Authorities misuse the provisions under Section 13(2A) of the Arms Act, to issue Licenses without proper verification. (a) In the past 5 years how many such cases were detected, wherein the Licensing Authority was found to have misused the above provisions.
(b) In such cases what action was taken against the relevant Licensing Authorities?
(c) If no action was taken - why?
(d) Does the ministry contend that the police is more honest than the executive branch?

3) The above amendment states that the maximum time allowable for police verification be set at 60 days. (a) Is it not correct that in the Ministry's directive to all State/ UT Home Deptt's (dated 31st March 2010) this timeline was set at 45 days?
(b) Why 60 days or even 45 days?
(c) In today's day and age, it should not take more than 1 or 2 days for the relevant police deptt. to trace out the antecedents of the applicant. Even if one allows for a heavy workload, this should not be more than 1 week or maybe a maximum of 10 days!

4) Furthermore, the amendment is silent on WHAT ACTION will be TAKEN AGAINST police Deptt.'s that do not send in the police verification report within the stipulated time period.
(a) Will the officer concerned be suspended for dereliction of duty?
(b) Will it be entered into his Confidential Report/ service record?
(c) Will there be a monetary fine imposed on the concerned officer? Etc.
(d) In the absence of clear cut and strong punitive action, it can be safely assumed that the concerned officer can delay the report indefinitely, in effect denying a license through the process of infinite delay! (e) In such cases what remedy would the license applicant have?

5) The Ministry wishes to implement a new policy wherein "licenses may be considered from persons who may face or perceive grave & imminent threat to their lives, for which the licensing authority will obtain an assessment of the threat faced by the persons from the police authorities."
(a) Is this not in direct contraventions of the objectives for which Arms Act was enacted by parliament in 1959, wherein one of the objectives of the Act was outlined as - "that weapons for self defence are available for all citizens under license unless their antecedents or propensities do not disentitle them for the privilege; and that firearms required for training purposes and ordinary civilian use are made more easily available on permits" ?

(b) Furthermore, how are citizens to prove grave & imminent threat?
(c) With the worsening law & order situation, do not all citizens face ever greater threats to their safety & security?
(d) What are the statistics for violent crime over the last 50 years?
(e) Is violent crime not on an upward spiral?
(f) Do citizens not justifiably arm themselves to protect themselves against random acts of violence?
(g) Is a law abiding citizen, with no previous history of violent crime not capable of deciding for himself whether or not he/ she feels the need to take measures to protect himself/ herself?

6) Even 60 years after independence, why are we continuing with the irrational policy of restricting civilian purchase of certain calibres?
(a) What is the justification?
(b) Why does the Indian state need to feel threatened from it's own citizens?
(c) Do citizens not have the ultimate power to elect and change governments?
(d) Does the ministry have any clear and logical justifications for continuing these restrictions?
(e) Anyone who knows anything about guns can see that these calibres possess no magical properties in terms of extra power etc., so why restrict their civilian ownership?
(f) Would it in fact not help serve the interests of the majority if their ownership was in fact encouraged, so that in times of need the government could call the owners of these firearms to serve the nation and/ or requisition their stores for government use?
(g) Would this also not allow the government to more easily sell surplus stores to civilian market and use the money thus earned towards modernising the arms in use by the military/ police forces?

7) In the Ministry's directive to all State/ UT Home Deptt's (dated 31st March 2010), it has been stated that the Licensing Authority may call for ANY document which it may consider necessary to verify the applicants bonafides.
(a) Is this definition not too open ended?
(b) What if (for example) a particular Licensing Authority asks me for my Great Grandmother's birth certificate and refuses to proceed without it?
(c) As per the directive, the Licensing Authority would be well within his/ her rights to do so, but would it be a sensible request?
(d) It should be made amply clear what documents are required AND WHY, so that there is no scope for mischief in the future.

8) In the matter of ammunition quotas, it should be referred to an expert committee to determine exactly how many rounds of ammunition a person needs to shoot EVERY YEAR out of each firearm so as to Attain a basic level of proficiency and Maintain that level of proficiency

(a) Only after evaluating the above, and keeping into consideration every license holder's need to store an appropriate amount of reserve ammunition, should a BASIC MINIMUM ammunition quota be arrived at.
(b) For additional quotas the relevant authority should be the LOCAL licensing authority who is at the ground level and in a better position to judge the merits of each case.
(c) Furthermore over centralising such mundane requests puts needless burden on average ordinary citizens, without providing any demonstrable benefits.

9) The whole concept of mandatory reporting of use of ammunition (by arms license holders) is absolutely ludicrous! The Ministry expects license holders to maintain records of each round of ammunition, where it was used, what date, what purpose, no. of bullets fired etc. This is both practically infeasible as well as a needless burden on the arms licensee without providing any demonstrable benefits.
(a) What exactly does the Ministry seek to achieve through this?
(b) The central police forces, for whom the ministry is directly responsible, have been found to be pilfering and selling arms & ammunition in the black market. They are required to maintain full accounts of government issued ammunition, but it still finds it's way to the black market!
(c) It may be suggested that the Ministry first concentrate it's effort on ensuring that it's own ammunition is not sold in the black market, BEFORE it even considers imposing an ill thought out and ludicrous regime on honest law abiding gun owners.

10) In the Ministry's directive to all State/ UT Home Deptt's (dated 31st March 2010), a new class system has been created. All India licenses will only be issued to (i) Sitting Union Ministers/ MPs (ii) Personnel of Military/ Paramilitary (iii) Officers of All India Services (iv) Officers with a liability to serve anywhere in India (v) sports persons. In essence (barring the sports persons), the Ministry seeks to create an elite super class out of the very people whose sworn duty it is to serve the citizens of this nation!
(a) So while the citizens they serve are barred from carrying their means of self defence while exercising their constitutional right to freedom of movement, those who are sworn to serve them shall have no such problems?
(b) To top it all, many of the classes named above are eligible for security guards once again provided at the tax payers expense. Has this irony completely escaped those that have drafted this document?
(c) Everyone else (besides those named above) can apply for an All India license, but it will be granted only in special cases and that too by the Ministry of Home Affairs!! Has the Ministry given up all other tasks to now concentrate it's time & energies purely on Arms Licensing issues? One would have thought that more pressing matters would occupy their minds.
(d) May it be pointed out that the above line of application is what is followed currently for the issuance of what are commonly referred to as Prohibited Bore Arms Licenses. It should also be pointed out that this is an extremely difficult process and except for those with very high connections it is impossible to get such a license. It seems that the Ministry now seeks to make the All India License similarly difficult/ impossible to acquire!

(e) Over the past 5 years EXACTLY HOW MANY holders of All India validity Arms License were found to be engaged in violent crime across their state borders?

11) If citizens freedoms are being curtailed, it is incumbent upon the Ministry to justify and justify again - every little thing! The FREEDOMS of our citizens are not to be taken lightly by anyone, let us not forget much blood has been shed and many lives destroyed for us to acquire these very freedoms.

In the words of the great Mahatma Gandhi - "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest."

Are we worse than our erstwhile colonial masters when it comes to the freedoms we offer our own citizens?
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Re: WHAT TO EXPLAIN TO YOUR Members of Parliament

Post by nagarifle » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:49 pm

thanks for the input, helps alot.
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Post by .32 » Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:33 pm

Kudos for the effort, hope it reaps desired results!

Also wish we had sent better people to Govern us!

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Post by m24 » Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:44 pm

Another idea would be to send the same to Opposition members in Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha. They may be able to make better noise than the ruling party members.

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Post by xl_target » Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:57 pm

Excellent!

The hope is that NAGRI will one day become as politically powerful as the NRA in the US.
Then all you will have to say to your elected representative will be "NAGRI has rated you an F on firearms issues. What are you going to do to rectify this situation"?
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Post by m24 » Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:00 pm

xl_target wrote:Excellent!

The hope is that NAGRI will one day become as politically powerful as the NRA in the US.
Then all you will have to say to your elected representative will be "NAGRI has rated you an F on firearms issues. What are you going to do to rectify this situation"?
Amen to that, xl, Amen.

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2) Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
3) Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target.
4) Identify your target, and what is behind it.

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Re: WHAT TO EXPLAIN TO YOUR Members of Parliament

Post by Anand » Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:04 am

Thanks Abhijeet for the points and the systematic breakup of the present scenario. Now its one thing to write to the MP of their own contituency,but how about each of us writing to every MP in their state(of even other constituencies) or better yet to all the MPs in Parliament.

I know this seems wacky and all because what would they care when your vote doesnt belong to them right? But I am looking at the quantum of imapct if each one of the MP's gets a letter from every one from IFG and NAGRI (& more). I imagine it would cost a bit in terms of postage, but what price is that compared to what we and our children have got to lose. Would it be okay to print out your points as is(with personalization if any) and send it away?
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Re: WHAT TO EXPLAIN TO YOUR Members of Parliament

Post by adkol » Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:59 am

Just a thought! Why are we not going to the print and Electronic media, or are we already interacting with them?

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Post by paddy » Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:12 am

Thanks a Ton! Abhijeet for this great initiative and eye opener. I will take print outs and meet the local MPs here in Noida. Besides, I saw this link on the CNN IBN

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Re: WHAT TO EXPLAIN TO YOUR Members of Parliament

Post by Virendra S Rathore » Sat Jul 24, 2010 9:13 am

Gentlemen/Ladies,

I'm posting a personalized version that I'm going to post to the Jaipur MP.
__________________________________________________________________________________

To,
Dr. Mahesh Joshi,
Hon'ble Member of Parliament - India
307, Rajasthan House,
Prithviraj Road,
New Delhi
Subject: A citizen's objections to the proposed Arms Act amendment bill 2010

Respected Sir,

I am a native of pink city, Jaipur. As you are my representative in the parliament of India, I am writing to you with immense concerns over some recent developments.
Late last year the Ministry of Home Affairs of India (MHA) began the process of amending the currently in-force Arms Act.
MHA published the draft of this new policy on December 21st / 22nd 2009.
Further to the process, the MHA, through an executive order addressed to the Home Secretaries of all States/ UTs, directed them to begin implementing the new Arms Policy for Individuals.
This order dated March 31, 2010 was almost exact replica of the draft published in Dec 2009. Please see the policy document attached.
The cabinet has now approved the Arms Act (Amendment) Bill 2010 and the government is preparing to table it in the coming monsoon session of parliament.
Sir, I would like to draw your attention to the way all this has happened:-
A. The draft of policy was published for public feedback without a due notice in any widely circulated national news daily.
B. The draft was published only in English while majority of the population still uses/understands only Hindi and/or other regional languages such as Assamese, Marathi, Kannada and Gujrati etc.
C. The publishment gave very less time for the public to send their feedback; moreover its timing was even alarming - when maximum civilian population was on a holiday.
D. Many of us posted our objections to the ministry. Enclosed herewith is a copy of the draft objections that I had sent to the ministry within the stipulated time period of feedback. I had also raised grievance against the MHA with regards to the matter (Grievance no. MINHA/E/2010/00472)
However, the executive form of this policy was almost completely unchanged from the draft version. There were absolutely no changes made with respect to the numerous feedback/objections raised.
E. Even more critical is that the new policy has changed specific fundamental guidelines of the Arms Act 1959 and thereby contravened the constitution itself.
Yet the approval from cabinet and executive order of immediate effect released by the ministry have openly bye-passed the parliament and its authority. It is unmistakably well known that any changes to the Arms Act or even Arms Rules would first have to be tabled in front of the parliament, before they could be implemented at all. Not to mention the MHA's hasty reckless execution of the motions in this process without any consideration of an ordinary citizen's concerns.
When this executive order was was issued - March 31, 2010 the parliament was very much in session, yet it was kept in dark. It devoids us of any chances to prevent the ministry from making disastrous mistakes on an issue of individual as well as public importance in a nation counting more than a billion's citizenry. This compels one to doubt the intentions of the ministry which probably was just running through the motions, literally sneaking past under the carpet.
All this, to say the least Sir, is uncalled for and draconian.
I would now specifically enumerate the various concerns that I have over this policy :-
<< The template points enumerated to us for sending to the MP>>
Sir, the constitution of India, law of this land nowhere specifies that I as an individual citizen can expect and obligate the state or any of its agencies to protect me, my family and my hard earnt property at all times and every place.
My protection, my self defense is not only MY responsibility but also my right; confirmed even by the constitution (as a legal right). I cannot do that if I'm being devoid of the very means to do so.
This disturbing scenario screams out loud that the government is the master, not the servant, of the people in this democracy.
Sir, I urge and request you with all my honesty, to explain in the parliament, to the government that it has to trust the law abiding tax paying citizenry like us with the means of self defense and immunity of life, liberty and dignity; otherwise the government will loose its own worth of trust it has from us.

Attachments:
1. New Arms and Ammunition policy
2. Objections to the draft policy

Thank you

Yours Sincerely
Virendra S Rathore,
Senior Programmer,
Accenture
Email - **********************************
Ph. - *************
___________________________________________________________________________________

Since its a formal communication with an MP, please let me know if any protocols are broken, will correct that.

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Re: WHAT TO EXPLAIN TO YOUR Members of Parliament

Post by goodboy_mentor » Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:21 am

My protection, my self defense is not only MY responsibility but also my right; confirmed even by the constitution (as a legal right).
Self defense is not just a legal right but also a Fundamental Right guaranteed under Article 21 of Constitution.
If you could add the questions he should ask in parliament that would be great, since more noise in Parliament over the issue, the better it is.
Since monsoon session is starting on 26.7.2010, it would be great if you could email to your MP as well as all MPs of Rajya Sabha and Lok Sabha, with CC to various news reporters etc.
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Re: WHAT TO EXPLAIN TO YOUR Members of Parliament

Post by Virendra S Rathore » Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:51 am

Yeah questions are the points we got through mails and messages here right ?? or anything more ??
I didn't want to make my post painfully long as the same questions are already mentioned in this thread also, so I just referenced them as "The template points".
Secondly, I'll edit my mail as the "legal and fundamental right". I'm planning to send hard copy via express courier and email as well (copying media houses)

Good luck everyone
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