Irish gun owners can now shoot intruders

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Irish gun owners can now shoot intruders

Post by m24 » Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:47 pm

New bill is welcomed by police, rural groups

Source: from SayUncle to IrishCentral

Irish homeowners can now legally use guns to defend themselves if their homes are attacked under new legislation.

The new home defense bill has moved the balance of rights back to the house owner if his home is broken into "where it should always have been", say top Irish police.

The police association of superintendents and inspectors, the AGSI, stated that “the current situation, which legally demands a house owner retreat from an intruder, was intolerable".

The new bill was published by Justice Minister Dermot Ahern yesterday. Under the bill homeowners will be allowed to use "reasonable" force against intruders to defend themselves, others or their property. This includes lethal force, depending on the circumstances.

Justice Minister Dermot Ahern stated that house owners could use guns in self-defense, especially if the intruders were armed but said it would ultimately be a matter for the courts to resolve.

The bill also clarifies that a house owner will not be required to retreat from an intruder. and that intruders injured as a result of reasonable force won’t be able to sue the house owner.

"The bill is welcomed because it aims to clarify the entitlements of a homeowner when faced with the situation where an uninvited intruder has entered the home," AGSI vice-president Dan Hanley told the Irish Examiner.

"The bill aims to shift the balance of rights back to the homeowner where it should always have been. It is intolerable a homeowner should be compelled to retreat in front of an intruder who has entered the home and who may have malign intentions towards the homeowner, the family or the home owner’s property."

Hanley added: "It is ridiculous to suggest the bill, which attempts to redress a serious legal imbalance, would provide a license to kill or a ‘have-a-go’ charter for homeowners, the vast majority of whom will continue to act with good sense and in a peaceful way."

Minister Ahern also dismissed the suggestion the bill was a "license to kill". He stated it merely allowed for lethal force provided it was justifiable.

Rural Link, the national network of community groups in rural Ireland welcomed the bill, saying it was "sensible legislation giving much needed clarity to homeowners on their rights when confronted by intruders".

The Irish Council for Civil Liberties however, stated it would inspect the bill to establish that it was "human-rights compliant".

The need for new legislation became evident after an intruder, John Ward, was shot dead while on the land and dwelling area of Mayo farmer, Pádraig Nally.

Nally was convicted of manslaughter, but his conviction was later overturned after a public outcry.

Burglaries in Ireland increased from 23,600 in 2007 to 26,800 in 2009. Violent burglaries rose from 255 to 363 in the same period.

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Re: Irish gun owners can now shoot intruders

Post by MoA » Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:19 pm

Hope for rationality in the EU.

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Re: Irish gun owners can now shoot intruders

Post by m24 » Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:26 pm

MoA wrote:Hope for rationality in the EU.
You also face the same problems that the Brits do??

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Jeff Cooper advocated four basic rules of gun safety:
1) All guns are always loaded. Even if they are not, treat them as if they are.
2) Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
3) Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target.
4) Identify your target, and what is behind it.

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Re: Irish gun owners can now shoot intruders

Post by xl_target » Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:32 pm

There is no doubt that every person has the right to defend themselves and their loved ones, especially in their homes.
Since it is impossible for any government to fully protect every single citizen, all the time, it should allow them the tools to do so for themselves.
It should also refrain from prosecute the homeowner when there is evidence of justified self defense.

As has been made abundantly clear in recent times, failure to do so will result in skyrocketing crime rates as criminals will gleefully take advantage of the situation.
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Re: Irish gun owners can now shoot intruders

Post by MoA » Thu Jul 22, 2010 1:34 am

m24 wrote:
MoA wrote:Hope for rationality in the EU.
You also face the same problems that the Brits do??

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Yes and no. Wouldnt speak about our solutions on an open forum. :cheers:

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Re: Irish gun owners can now shoot intruders

Post by shooter » Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:56 pm

Wake up Britain.
You want more gun control? Use both hands!

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Re: Irish gun owners can now shoot intruders

Post by xl_target » Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:41 pm

After reading shooter's comment, I just had another thought.
Haven't the Irish been shooting at "Intruders" for a very long time now? :)
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