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The Thirty-aught-six
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vishosingh
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hi shooter
the hangul might rank up there in deer species but antelope are not deer and the blue bull are the largest antelope in asia True antelope have horns which are unbranched and never shed. check here about the nilgai: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilgai.
the hangul might rank up there in deer species but antelope are not deer and the blue bull are the largest antelope in asia True antelope have horns which are unbranched and never shed. check here about the nilgai: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilgai.
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Re: The Thirty-aught-six
Shahji of course i agree about neelgai also called 'roj' in rajasthan and some parts of neighbouring state.
The other difference being
I was comparing the hangul to the sambar.
The reports on the internet are variable about hangul vs. sambar firstly because most websites quote one another.
Some so called 'wildlife websites' dont even list hangul as a deer species in India.
Other websites give Hangul a height of 1.5 m (vs 110-125 cm for sambar).
Hangul is a critically endangered species and not many studies conducted or much data available on it whereas sambar is far more numerous. Both are from the cervvidae i think sambar is rusa unicolor sprcies related to javan rusa.
Thats why i said im not sure as i havent seen with my own eyes.
Neelgai i must have seen > 1000 times and i think they might be second to the eland of Africa.
Compounding the results is the fact that deer antlers can have a big impact on size, height and a bit on the overall weight.
+1 on deer vs antelopes:
the antelope horns' outer covering comes off leaving the inner core behind (not naturally though)
Deer have sub/infra orbital glands/ inter digital glands/hock glands
antelope horns are hollow
Only reindeer females have horns; in the rest of all deer species, only the males have horns. The antelopes dont have such great exceptions
I dont want to go into the details like relation to goat family etc. but do want to point out that all deer antlers are white. the black/brown appearence is due to dirt etc but antelope horns are coloured dark/ black
The other difference being
I was comparing the hangul to the sambar.
The reports on the internet are variable about hangul vs. sambar firstly because most websites quote one another.
Some so called 'wildlife websites' dont even list hangul as a deer species in India.
Other websites give Hangul a height of 1.5 m (vs 110-125 cm for sambar).
Hangul is a critically endangered species and not many studies conducted or much data available on it whereas sambar is far more numerous. Both are from the cervvidae i think sambar is rusa unicolor sprcies related to javan rusa.
Thats why i said im not sure as i havent seen with my own eyes.
Neelgai i must have seen > 1000 times and i think they might be second to the eland of Africa.
Compounding the results is the fact that deer antlers can have a big impact on size, height and a bit on the overall weight.
+1 on deer vs antelopes:
the antelope horns' outer covering comes off leaving the inner core behind (not naturally though)
Deer have sub/infra orbital glands/ inter digital glands/hock glands
antelope horns are hollow
Only reindeer females have horns; in the rest of all deer species, only the males have horns. The antelopes dont have such great exceptions
I dont want to go into the details like relation to goat family etc. but do want to point out that all deer antlers are white. the black/brown appearence is due to dirt etc but antelope horns are coloured dark/ black
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God made man and God made woman, but Samuel Colt made them equal.
One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted. by Jose Gasset.
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great info 
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Re: The Thirty-aught-six
Even though the .308 is factory loaded to slightly higher pressure than the .30-06, it cannot match .30-06 velocity with any bullet weight. Its velocity with all bullet weights is lower, not higher. It is normally rifled with a 1-12 twist, vs. the .30-06's 1-10 twist; its bullet is going to be less stable at longer range, not more.
"Shooters" use the sanctioned standard cartridge of the nation. Snipers don't have a choice as to cartridge, or weapon, they get and use what their army has adopted and provides.
Carlos Hancock, "White Feather", the top US sniper of the Vietnam war, did his shooting with a M70 Winchester in .30-06.
At the velocity levels of the military loads, the .308 has higher loading density, and is more efficient. That contributes to higher accuracy. Low loading density leads to greater velocity variation, due to variation of the location of the charge in the case, hence variation of ignition sequence.
"Shooters" use the sanctioned standard cartridge of the nation. Snipers don't have a choice as to cartridge, or weapon, they get and use what their army has adopted and provides.
Carlos Hancock, "White Feather", the top US sniper of the Vietnam war, did his shooting with a M70 Winchester in .30-06.
At the velocity levels of the military loads, the .308 has higher loading density, and is more efficient. That contributes to higher accuracy. Low loading density leads to greater velocity variation, due to variation of the location of the charge in the case, hence variation of ignition sequence.
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Re: The Thirty-aught-six
Thanks Two Rivers, for correcting those misconceptions.
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Re: The Thirty-aught-six
Casual shooter,
though i did always enjoy this scene from full metal jacket, dont you think its a bit OT from the topic?
though i did always enjoy this scene from full metal jacket, dont you think its a bit OT from the topic?
You want more gun control? Use both hands!
God made man and God made woman, but Samuel Colt made them equal.
One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted. by Jose Gasset.
God made man and God made woman, but Samuel Colt made them equal.
One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted. by Jose Gasset.
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Re: The Thirty-aught-six
The website given below claims that the maximum range of the .30-06 ball cartridge, when elevated at an angle of 45°, was 4,890 yd (4.47 km), or 2.77 miles.
4.47 km is a very long range. Can a .30-06 cartridge go that far?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1903_Springfield
4.47 km is a very long range. Can a .30-06 cartridge go that far?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1903_Springfield
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nagarifle
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Re: The Thirty-aught-six
a bullet can fly a long distance, however we must take into account it effectiveness to penetrate its target or do damage.
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if you say it can not be done, then you are right, for you, it can not be done.
if you say it can not be done, then you are right, for you, it can not be done.
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Re: The Thirty-aught-six
it can go that far. they make you very aware of this at the ranges before you shoot.
You want more gun control? Use both hands!
God made man and God made woman, but Samuel Colt made them equal.
One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted. by Jose Gasset.
God made man and God made woman, but Samuel Colt made them equal.
One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted. by Jose Gasset.
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Baljit
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Re: The Thirty-aught-six
yes it can go that far no problam i have 3006 and 308 both gun work's fine for sniper\Vineet wrote:The website given below claims that the maximum range of the .30-06 ball cartridge, when elevated at an angle of 45°, was 4,890 yd (4.47 km), or 2.77 miles.
4.47 km is a very long range. Can a .30-06 cartridge go that far?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1903_Springfield
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Re: The Thirty-aught-six
One gets to read a lot of praise for .30-06 cartridge over the net. It is very pleasing to read such articles as I own a U.S made .30-06 rifle. 