Pak Ordnance factory...

[Pran]

Jefe,
It's an insult that these gunmakers are not given any kind of encouragement by the government and resort to illegal means.Are these kattas 'blowproof'?Remember seeing a small arms unit in Bihar being raided on tv.The Kattas didn't look all that impressive.

Sujay,
Don't think all of them have access to high tech machinery(even the scrapped ones).These crude arms are sold cheap.IOF can surely offer better arms at lower prices...

Pran

[Sujay]

Pran,

I have never written that everybody has access to those machinery.

Those illegal arms are sold cheap because they are crap. Mostly used ( brandished) during elections and do not have any use value ; not because of advanced cost management techniques.

As about IOF... they have been covered extensively ..

[mehulkamdar]

Pran,

I have talked to a friend in Finland who has shot some of the Pakistan made shotguns and is a fairly prominent gunwriter there. One of the gunmakers is in Sargodha and the other is somewhere else, not in Darra. I can't find the post I made here but the link to the manufacturers' site was there on my post. I have to run now as I have to be out almost the whole day tomorrow. Hopefully, if you can't find my post, I'll have the link for you by Saturday.

I also have the pictures that you wanted. Shall mail them to you either this weekend or early next week.

[Pran]

Mehul,
So there are good shotguns from Pak.Will scan your old posts for the Url.
I'm eager to see them.Got info regarding MLs from Mark.You may mail me

Thanks
Pran

[shahid]

Saw the POF video and feel surprised how they have stolen a march. Very sad indeed. Our own IOF need to do much better. Some restrictions must go, private enterprise encouraged. The politicians of India just don't understand what mess they have created.

Ordinance and private defence industry is a great export revenue generator.

[Rottmeister]

You cannot manage the dhoti and the rifle at the same time

[goodboy_mentor]

I have been requesting time & again to forum members to plan & do something result oriented to improve situation in India, all these kind of things have been discussed one way or the other.

[TwoRivers]

Back in the 1950s Darra guns were strictly handmade, and all the equipment was hand-powered. Yet, they managed to make serviceable guns. Mostly copies of the Smellie, though they later added the No.4 and, rarely seen, No.5. I saw one M98 Mauser, though that had an original bolt. Webley revolvers, Martini rifles and shotguns. For the shotguns, truck steering columns provided the barrel blanks. A story was told about an attempt to copy the Luger; the first shot put the ejected case squarely between the smith's eyes, killing him. Other than that, I never heard a story about the guns blowing up,
Later on electric-powered machinery was supposedly acquired, and rifle barrels imported from Belgium. The steel usually came from railroad rails, which is a medium carbon steel quite suitable for guns, if properly heat treated.
Sometimes you had to look closely to tell that it was a copy, but usually there were tell-tale signs, even if it was only an upside-down, or out of era stamp. We never had a problem with full powered ammo, though accuracy left quite a bit to be desired in most cases.
A single .303 cartridge cost about a day laborer's wages, and wasn't readily available since it had to be stolen from the army; or captured. In the Darra re-manufactured ammo, movie film cut into narrow strips served as the (unavailable) Cordite or other smokeless powder. Bullets were often hand filed from brass rod, or hand finished from cast brass bullets.
Cheers.

[Sakobav]

here is a comparison between Indian and Pakistani private gun manufacturers

Likely Jammu Gun factory snap


Pakistan's Daudsons Armoury site
They have a decent Shotgun product range

http://www.daudsons.org/

I found them via their Jane's weekly listing

http://www.janes.com/articles/Janes-Pol ... istan.html

Pictures reflect the point no comparison between the two manufacturers
Best

[pandeymitul]

the problem are the indian politicians and the age old machinery.

[Sakobav]

I just read a great review of pump action guns made by Daudsons Armoury. Uploading their catalog of shotties. They have recently released a semi auto shotgun and can be purchased at a very reasonable price Rs25000.
http://www.pakguns.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=5041 - Their new Semi auto shotgun


If you check the pdfs embedded here the machinery required is pretty straightforward dont quite understand why IOF or private manufacturers cant follow their path. Does GOI prohibit Indian manufacturers from using CNC machines or making a quality product ? I am pretty sure they can easily recoup their costs and sum with starved Indian market..

I personally love their sxs would love to know if they export them.

Their website http://www.daudsons.org/index.php?link=1

DSA-12GuagePumpActionSG.pdf

DSA-12BoreDoubleBarrel.pdf

Cheers

[raimanmeet]

{EDITED REMARKS NOT RELEVANT TO TOPIC STICK TO GUNS LEAVE JINGOISM RIF RAFF ASIDE}

If we look into the history of guns, it is over the years that the guns have refined and become more sophisticated. If the Indian Govt. also allows foreign collaborations and pvt. companies with contracts we would see much better products.

Manufacturing guns is not a very tedious task as pointed by Satpal_S. Every gun has the same mechanics. Its just how you put it across and the skill of the manufacturer that make it good or bad.

I am now eagerly waiting for either Mahindra or Tata's to enter the military weapon manufacturing sector and then see the difference.