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Tracking the Tiger Killers

Post by Vikram » Fri Jun 04, 2010 5:11 am

Thanks to Fantumfan's pointer, I checked out the article on India Today's website.This is nothing new but my blood boils nevertheless. :evil:

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story ... llers.html
They are the people responsible for India's iconic animal being threatened with extinction, a tragedy of unimaginable proportions. Two nomadic hunting tribes, along with corrupt or incompetent forest officials, continue to hunt the tiger in its natural habitat using primitive traps.


The result is that tiger population figures have registered an all-time low. India has lost two-thirds of its tigers in the last eight years. Driven by greed and the money they can earn by selling tiger skin and parts to the Chinese market, India's most notorious poachers are decimating tiger populations virtually unchecked.
Sariska and Panna have lost all their tigers to poaching even as forest officials feign ignorance. Principal Correspondent Mihir Srivastava has been on the trail of the poachers to identify the main culprits, their modus operandi, their buyers and the havoc they have already caused among India's tiger population. His report:
The Pardhis and Bawariyas are nomadic hunting tribes who travel across the country to poach tigers to supply them to organized smugglers in tiger parts who feed the market in China.

They commit crimes as a family vocation, are cunning, constantly on the move, and kill tigers with religious fervour. Killing a tiger means big money, Rs 2 lakh for a tiger skin, and being adept hunters, it also means easy money, tiger parts and organs fetch another Rs 2 lakh.

What is less known about these tribes is that they indulge in other criminal activities. They also kill leopards, bears and elephants for ivory, indulge in organised theft of railways and telecom properties, are into sandalwood smuggling while some do contractual murders.

Being nomadic, they cannot be traced for their crimes. Their latest racket is land scams, and Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi would be shocked to know that the men and women who are killing tigers in the state's reserves are also part of a gigantic compensation scam for the Narmada Valley Project. Pardhis have migrated en-mass from various villages in Katni district of Madhya Pradesh, a Mecca for poachers, down to Khandwa and Harda districts along the Maharashtra border to seek compensation as displaced families from the Narmada Valley Project. Some of them have actually got lakhs of rupees as compensation along with land, while others are camping there for their share of the booty.

Locals know about it but are too scared to talk. Local officials do nothing presumably because they are getting a cut. If tigers are to be saved in the forests of India, this vicious network and nexus of tribals and traders will have to be broken. It is now clear that tigers and tribals cannot live together in a forest, as was the case traditionally, for the lure of big money is impossible to resist. The poachers are hired and sent into the forests by notorious traders like Sansar Chand and Shabeer Hassan Qureshi.

Both are currently in jail and together would be responsible for 1,000 tiger deaths in the last decade but now their extended families are carrying on with tiger killings. It's a tightly knit nexus: traditional hunting families supply tiger parts to traditional families trading in wild animals. Poachers-turned-informers and some Pardhis themselves revealed the modus operandi and rewards.

Here's how the unholy nexus works-and spells doom for the tiger. The tribal hunters receive orders, estimated to be for 60 tigers a year, to be skinned and body parts collected and preserved. The hunting party, including women and children, sets off by train to the target zone.

Reaching the targeted forest, they camp in the vicinity, setting up temporary shops selling cheap jewellery as a cover. It takes them just a few days to learn about tiger movements in the area. They lay out the bait-wild animal meat-to attract tigers and conceal iron traps along the path the tiger will take to the bait.

It needs a dozen-men team to monitor the movement of the tigers and the patrolling routine of forest guards. Usually, the last patrol is around midnight and they are free to stalk the tiger undisturbed till late next morning. The success rate of tribal poachers is very high but the consequences for India's national animal are tragic and inhuman.
My only question is, how are you going to counter such strong economic lure?


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Re: Tracking the Tiger Killers

Post by shooter » Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:07 am

The pardhis and bawarias are old 'shikari' tribes.

What happened is Sariska and panna wasnt because of them but because of their help.
They have knowledge of the forest and noe their talen is being used for evil purposes.

There was a post made in IFG re: these tribes last year. I have seen firsthand their knowledge of the forest and no surprise they cant be caught.
The tribals resorted to killing big cats and dog family (wolves, jackal etc) in the british raj in 1800's when there was a bounty for every suvh 'vermin' killed.
I amnot going to write their modus operandi here.

They were extensively used as trackers by the hunters. This is what they have been doing this for generations. I am in no way justifying these actions but this is all they know. Enter a forest officer who wants some extra income. 1+1+111.


What many people dont know is that although Mr. *£$%^*@~#+£&** was arrested and it was big news, what wasnt front page news was that he escaped from the courthouse and it was a few months more before he could be apprehended again.
It was suspected that a few tigers and leopards were killed in the meantime.
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Re: Tracking the Tiger Killers

Post by Yaj » Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:01 am

Just watched a film on the wild life in Poland a few weeks back in which they showed herds of european bison which are extinct in most of europe today. Apparently one of the measures used in the past was the death penalty for anybody poaching them! Now that would really make the poachers think about risk vs reward wouldn't it?
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Re: Tracking the Tiger Killers

Post by m24 » Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:22 am

The only counter to such economic lure in my mind is bigger economic lure to save them.

The system that is supposed to save the tigers has proven every time that they are inefficient and useless. Corruption is the base of all government agencies.

Well, this story has only confirmed my belief that the endangered species like tiger, leopard and other big cats will be extinct within our lifetime and we can do shit about it. :evil:

Yaj, don't think death penalty would make a deterrence in our country. In the 1st place, it has to be implemented here. Our bureaucracy is a spineless lot. We give too much preference to so called "human care" and none for animal care.

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Re: Tracking the Tiger Killers

Post by Yaj » Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:28 am

m24 wrote: Yaj, don't think death penalty would make a deterrence in our country. In the 1st place, it has to be implemented here. Our bureaucracy is a spineless lot.
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Yes i agree that implementation in India is a problem. But the highest penalty will send a message and even the jail sentence while the endless appeals process goes on will be a deterrent to these forest people who are used to a free life in the wilderness. I imagine being cooped up in a jail for the rest of their lives would not be an attractive career goal?
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Post by kanwar76 » Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:30 am

m24 wrote:The only counter to such economic lure in my mind is bigger economic lure to save them.

And from where do you think that bigger economic lure will come from?

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-- Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:32 am --
Yaj wrote: Yes i agree that implementation in India is a problem. But the highest penalty will send a message and even the jail sentence while the endless appeals process goes on will be a deterrent to these forest people who are used to a free life in the wilderness. I imagine being cooped up in a jail for the rest of their lives would not be an attractive career goal?
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Yaj, I think Sansar chand is still in Jail and he is there since 3-4 (Even more) years now but tiger killing is not stopped. His family members are keeping his legacy alive.

Though I agree with you that severe punishment and fast track courts are needed but IMHO these punishments alone can't tackle this problem.

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Re: Tracking the Tiger Killers

Post by Yaj » Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:45 am

kanwar76 wrote:
Yaj, I think Sansar chand is still in Jail and he is there since 3-4 (Even more) years now but tiger killing is not stopped. His family members are keeping his legacy alive.

Though I agree with you that severe punishment and fast track courts are needed but IMHO these punishments alone can't tackle this problem.

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Yes Inder, but I was think more on lines of people who are actually doing the trapping and killing in the forests. Additionally, if Sansar Chand was on death row do you think the attitude of his family members might be a bit different?

I agree with you though that it has to be strategy on many levels and not only based on punishment.
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Post by timmy » Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:03 pm

I'd rather not sound like a "bleeding heart," but my viewpoint is that, if punishment is going to be applied as part of a solution, the strongest punishment should be for those who support the illegal trade to begin with: those who pay the money.

These tigers, while sad enough, are only part of the problem. The notion that various tiger (or rhino, or whatever) parts will cause some sort of magical cure or become some sort of tonic is a very basic part of the problem, I think. It causes people with means to pay great sums for the illegal taking of animals.

Where there is poverty, there will always be people who are willing to do anything, as long as the promise of reward that is offered is great enough.

Another aspect of this is the whale situation, especially the blue whale. There are those who will pay great sums for various types of sea food, feathers, horns, or what-have-you, generally for some silly or superstitious reason, and they care nothing for the environment in which we live.

I personally think that a big part of the problem is better education, coupled with penalties based on the effects of the crime: the more problems/distruction/impact your actions have, the worse you will get "whacked" in my scheme.

Of course, the world works in exactly the opposite way. Those at the bottom of the "food chain" in these schemes are always the ones who get thrown to the wolves, while the big perpetrators walk away largely unscathed.

Just like the common criminal who robs a store goes to jail for 10 years, while some corrupt businessman whose actions throw hundreds or thousands out of work while they sail free to commit more mayhem, or at worst go to some "Camp Cupcake" country club prison for a few months, the problem here is partly, I think, that old principle that asks, "What's the point of being rich if you have to obey the same laws the poor do?"

If you cut off the money, 95% of the problem will disappear in these sorts of situations.

Anyway, that's my ₨ .02
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Re: Tracking the Tiger Killers

Post by srswamy » Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:44 pm

Yaj wrote:Just watched a film on the wild life in Poland a few weeks back in which they showed herds of european bison which are extinct in most of europe today. Apparently one of the measures used in the past was the death penalty for anybody poaching them! Now that would really make the poachers think about risk vs reward wouldn't it?
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Only thing I can think of is -- Kill anyone and everyone who kills the animals -- mercilessly. Poach them before they can poach even more tigers. Death factor is more "luring" to anyone, than economic factor.
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Re: Tracking the Tiger Killers

Post by Yaj » Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:04 pm

timmy wrote:I'd rather not sound like a "bleeding heart," but my viewpoint is that, if punishment is going to be applied as part of a solution, the strongest punishment should be for those who support the illegal trade to begin with: those who pay the money.
Timmy, while I agree with you that the trade must be crushed i think that would be far more difficult.Most of the poached wildlife products end up in China which as demonstrated in the past does not give a damn about international pressure etc. Moreover there is an endless supply of crooked businessmen who trade in the stuff if there is a buyer over the border.Nab one and another will step in.
The tribes who indulge in tiger poaching are traditionally skilled in these ways and are responsible for most of the tiger poaching in India. Indeed they are said to travel from sanctuary to sanctuary systematically eliminating their targets. It is not just any tribal (or for that matter city dweller) that can just wake up and decide i am going to bag myself a tiger today.
I feel these tribes must be targeted with a mixture of socio-economic empowerment schemes (monitored not by politicians and bureaucrats but by wildlife experts and NGOs) and a promise of the harshest punishment if they go back to their old ways.
Just my 2 paise worth :)
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Post by srswamy » Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:36 pm

Yaj wrote: I feel these tribes must be targeted with a mixture of socio-economic empowerment schemes (monitored not by politicians and bureaucrats but by wildlife experts and NGOs) and a promise of the harshest punishment if they go back to their old ways.
Just my 2 paise worth :)
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Yaj, something on similar lines is being followed. While all pro-hunting enthusiast shell out their justification for poaching the ungulates and other animals and question the results of eco-tourism, this article outlines the positive aspects of eco-tourism.

http://www.wildlifeofindia.org/op_ashish.htm
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Post by Yaj » Fri Jun 04, 2010 2:49 pm

srswamy wrote:
Yaj, something on similar lines is being followed. While all pro-hunting enthusiast shell out their justification for poaching the ungulates and other animals and question the results of eco-tourism, this article outlines the positive aspects of eco-tourism.

http://www.wildlifeofindia.org/op_ashish.htm
The article mentions community participation etc of the locals etc, this is all very well, it will prevent them from poisoning cats that prey on their cattle etc.
My point was to specifically target the tribes which make poaching their profession and specialise in tigers, they may not necessarily be locals.
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Post by kanwar76 » Fri Jun 04, 2010 2:58 pm

srswamy wrote:
Yaj, something on similar lines is being followed. While all pro-hunting enthusiast shell out their justification for poaching the ungulates and other animals and question the results of eco-tourism, this article outlines the positive aspects of eco-tourism.

http://www.wildlifeofindia.org/op_ashish.htm

Bwaaaah, Swami you can do better than that. 40 years and this :o that too something initiated by a hunter and BTW this thread is not for villagers, this is for Pardhis and Bawariyas. There is a big difference between village folk of Himachal , Uttranchal and Pardhis Bawariyas. It will be a very big OT if I go into details of that. They are two different side of a coin.

This has no connection with Tigers killing for skin and bones. May be some impact on occasional poisoning nothing more than that.

"While all pro-hunting enthusiast shell out their justification for poaching the ungulates and other animals "

What is the meaning of above line in bold? Are you comparing Hunters with Poachers. If you are doing than you need to read some more before you start arguing here.

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Post by srswamy » Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:14 pm

Inder,

I understand the difference. At the same time, I just wrote "similar lines" and not the "same lines". Weren't you able to spot the difference? Does that sound enough? My intention -- we should deal with the problem with similar steps. Only the target group differs. Now, does that sound enough? Still not? Then -- heavens alone can help!

Neither I am comparing villagers with these tribes, nor the poachers with hunters. The statement has valid reasons -- if you are not able to make out the reasons (you will not be :)), go back to few other related threads and go through the posts carefully.

All the more, I am not arguing here. Discussion and argument are entirely different, in logical parlance. Expression of one's point of view is not "argument". Please understand that. I don't know about the others, but I approach the posts with an intention to discuss and not to argue.
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Post by kanwar76 » Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:28 pm

Inder,

I understand the difference. At the same time, I just wrote "similar lines" and not the "same lines". Weren't you able to spot the difference? Does that sound enough? My intention -- we should deal with the problem with similar steps. Only the target group differs. Now, does that sound enough? Still not? Then -- heavens alone can help!
No you are not understanding the difference. They are not even similar. You can't deal with the problem with similar steps if there is no bloodshed. .

Neither I am comparing villagers with these tribes, nor the poachers with hunters. The statement has valid reasons -- if you are not able to make out the reasons (you will not be ), go back to few other related threads and go through the posts carefully.
Cab you please elaborate those valid reasons? I am sure if I am not able to make out head tail of it someone else will. Please explain

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