Man-eater

[hvj1]

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Thanks
Prashant
Made the change, fittedin quite nicely
Vikram
Enjoyed the movie number of times, actually I am a fan of Jack Nickleson.
Inder
Yes I agree with you, feelings dont count in the jungle, but you know, 'power' has a different connotation for different people.
to all.

[shooter]

by grewal » 02 Jun 2010, 11:36

shooter wrote:
Hunting can also be a part of conservation.
Do you know that when you hunt in Africa, you get a certificate of conservation.
lo kar lo baat saree raat ramain parhee or who puchtay hai kay sita kaun thee. Yaar MBA kar loo certificate mil jayaga.

Ditto. Didnt get the part about the MBA though.
What I was trying to say was that i was giving ideas about conservation. I have writen this countless times. Please please read older posts.

[grewal]

Ditto. Didnt get the part about the MBA though.
What I was trying to say was that i was giving ideas about conservation.

I have read you older posts , i was just kidding .

[srswamy]

Hunting can also be a part of conservation.
Do you know that when you hunt in Africa, you get a certificate of conservation.

Probably. However, still I do not see the pivotal role that hunting can play! Well, we need to fundamentally understand the term wildlife conservation here. Perhaps, a certificate is one of the take-aways from the hunting safari, probably a feel-good factor. Or an artifact the hunter can use to justify, or the "hunting safari" business men to continue running the business. I am not being opinionated, at the same time, we can't rule out all these possibilities is what my point is!!!

All the veteran conservationists have been prolific hunters once in their life! It is the "realization" and the "change of mindset" is what matters!

In my humble opinion -- If "Hunting" helps only in the "revenue generation", that can not be accepted as the cause. I'm sure there are more conservative ways to generate revenue. Its the masses we need to reach out to. Instead of looking for a large sum from a small group of people, we can definitely look out for a small sum, from a large group of people. Both the ways, purpose is solved. This is only the first cut thought. Many ideas like this can help! After all, man is a money making machine at the end of the day! He does not have to resort to a machine to make money.

[shooter]

I agree that if revenue can be generated by other means, then sure go for it. why not.

Make the fees rs 250 per person entry then 160 visitors/day every day for the open season to make 1 crore/year. The difference between a zoo and a national park is the natural habitat and this also includes restricting no of visitors/day so as not to disturb wild life and not make it a mela.

This is presuming the park only stays closed for 115 days a year. Some like kaziranga stay closed more due to monsoon.

Just wanted to let you know that culling is still carried out even today in national parks in India. esp wolves etc. by forest dept.
The point is not just to generate revenue. If you re-read my posts, i have said 'to make a species worth more while its alive than it is dead'.

Whats interesting is that out of my options no one is taking option e; nor commenting about options a b c.

Am i to believe that members here agree with the idea of vigara powder on a tigers tail?


This post is about maneaters etc. so lets not go OT. (myself first and foremost)

[m24]

Please don't cry wolf with the following idea:

Hand over the management of national parks to responsible private organizations. Today, in the present India, if the UID project is up and running, it's because it has a Nandan Nilekani to run it. Someone of the same stature who has the passion for conservation, not paper-based conservation, but real time, on-the-ground level kind of conservation. He be allowed to get his teams and members into place, do immediate fire-fighting, then implement long term plan.

Mandatory / optional involvement of schools / colleges for knowledge dissemination / education, voluntary work in controlled areas of park, social work awarded to small time offenders be implemented for wildlife (flora and fauna both) conservation.

Anything else that comes to mind, I'll add on.

Regards

[shooter]

Please don't cry wolf with the following idea:

Hand over the management of national parks to responsible private organizations. Today, in the present India, if the UID project is up and running, it's because it has a Nandan Nilekani to run it. Someone of the same stature who has the passion for conservation, not paper-based conservation, but real time, on-the-ground level kind of conservation. He be allowed to get his teams and members into place, do immediate fire-fighting, then implement long term plan.

Mandatory / optional involvement of schools / colleges for knowledge dissemination / education, voluntary work in controlled areas of park, social work awarded to small time offenders be implemented for wildlife (flora and fauna both) conservation.

Anything else that comes to mind, I'll add on.

Regards

Now were talking.

[m24]

Here's more for you, shooter.

Locals be made use of vigorously, especially the tribals who know the land like the back of their hand. They be won over to our side (using financial, infrastructural, administrative methods), and they be employed for all kind of security, infrastructure, admin and what not. An added source of income is always welcome for poor folks. Provide permanent educational opportunities, basic amenities for these people so that they know we are there for business and not on a whim.

All rifle clubs and NGOs (in and around all national parks) get together and hold programs for locals, visitors on timely basis about conservation, security, and anything else that comes to mind w.r.t into wildlife conservation. Members of rifle clubs can offer their services to the security staff for training them on firepower, accompanying them on recces and what not. No payment to be taken for all these initiatives.

Regards

[hvj1]

Hand over all national parks to the Army, I have said the same thing before, conservation almost like naxalism is quite beyond the forest department and the police.

[m24]

Hand over all national parks to the Army, I have said the same thing before, conservation almost like naxalism is quite beyond the forest department and the police.

I disagree with you on that. They are brought in for every tom, dick and harry situation just because the concerned officials did shit for their own work and just because they are in the army.

What we need is the idea of an army like organization, where men are men and they do their work.

Regards

[hvj1]

M24,
Count me in on the that force, I'll shoot the bastards (poachers who kill for profit, specifically tigers , rhinos) for free and let the devil take the hind most. O.K. Naga, balls in your court.
BR

[prashantsingh]

Hunting can also be a part of conservation.
Do you know that when you hunt in Africa, you get a certificate of conservation.

In my humble opinion -- If "Hunting" helps only in the "revenue generation", that can not be accepted as the cause. I'm sure there are more conservative ways to generate revenue. Its the masses we need to reach out to. Instead of looking for a large sum from a small group of people, we can definitely look out for a small sum, from a large group of people. Both the ways, purpose is solved. This is only the first cut thought. Many ideas like this can help! After all, man is a money making machine at the end of the day! He does not have to resort to a machine to make money.

I am sure everyone has heard of Carbon footprinting.
The cost of erasing our "carbon" footprint works out to less than Rs 150 /= per head per month.
Just about US $3 /= .
How many Indians are ready to pay that? I am not talking about the 4000 odd members here but talking about the 115 corore Indians. Does the Govt. have the gut's to recover this amount from our masses?

[srswamy]

Please don't cry wolf with the following idea:
Mandatory / optional involvement of schools / colleges for knowledge dissemination / education, voluntary work in controlled areas of park, social work awarded to small time offenders be implemented for wildlife (flora and fauna both) conservation.
Regards

M24, no question of optional, it is mandatory A core group should work to spread the awareness. Instill the need of conservation and living close to nature in the young minds. When I was in school, I was an active member of "Nature Club" where visits to the national parks are conducted every year. Importance of conservation was taught.

Whats interesting is that out of my options no one is taking option e; nor commenting about options a b c.

a) increase the entry to the national parks to rs 10000 per person. (and thousands of tourists are happy and flock there)
b)or... every sighting/picture of a tiger gives the sighter/photographer rs. 10000
c)Spread a rumor and start practicing alternate medicine that includes live tigers/tiger parts a la civet coffee. Or that a live tigers tail when immersed in water makes it an aphrodisiac (and to stick viagra powder to the tigers tail after darting them)
d) Hunt a limited quota say two tigers a year; target older males/rouges etc; charge $250000 trophy fees per tiger.
This additional 2 crores a year can be used to get more land into the parks, relocate villagers/ stop poaching/education.
e) other members please contribute.

@shooter, I took some time to sink-in.

Option a -- sounds good.
Option b -- not very sure. You mean, the photographer has to pay or he gets the money?

Here are some points I can think of.

1. As m24 says, target the locals and involve them. Instead of separating the natives from the woods, make them responsible for it, under proper supervision -- I have been following few articles and this one is an eye opener.
http://www.wildlifeofindia.org/op_ashishK.htm

2. Invite corporate giants to extend their social responsibility arms towards the national parks also, instead of just distributing notebooks and dresses. More so, several organizations can jointly sponsor one national park. The expenses will be peanuts, if 5 to 6 companies join hands. Appoint proper boards to ensure the money properly utilized.

3. There is an increasing interest among the international community of students towards the wildlife studies. Tie up with various foreign institutes and indulge in exchange programs to attract more attention and thereby revenue.

4. Find the business tycoons to sponsor the NGOs which are working for this noble cause.

5. Introduce regulated "wildlife tax" for all commercial activities related in one way or the other with exploitation of wildlife and natural habitat. Or allocate a part of the tax collected towards wildlife. More than that, ensure the "smart" people pay their taxes.

6. Control poaching with an iron hand!!! I second hvj1 in this !!

I will work more on the option e...... I'm kind of but I'll try to get out and get involved.

Appeal: Gentlemen, in case we may end up forming a core group of like-minded individuals, count me in!!

[kanwar76]

Nice suggestion guys,

How are we going to stop ungulates from straying into farms and destroying crops?
How are we going to control population of Axis Deer so that it is not occupying the land for Black bucks?
How are we going to stop Elephant's population which is on the rise and becoming a threat to life and limb of people living near by Jungles?

Just some honest questions

-Inder

[hvj1]

You know guys,
In the last two days, the number of Constructive ideas on this thread have been very illuminating. The more I read M24 and Ram's post the more workable these ideas sound. Lets just not give it up, why dont we shift our focus to Koyna Chandoli, I can assure you, I could do with all the help. At least we have a starting point, where we can get together and thrash things out in a practical manner and get some progress on our ideas.
Keep it coming folks.
Best Regards