Deposits for Arms License

The legal aspects of owning, shooting, importing arms/ ammo and other related legal aspects as well as any other legal queries. Please note: This INCLUDES all arms licensing issues/ queries!
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Re: Deposits for Arms License

Post by Drunknhappy » Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:23 pm

Puneet,

The export permits in the US usually take about 2 - 6 weeks. You have to plan and buy the gun 1 year ahead. The sig is a great gun. As for import permits in India my lawyer is handling it. I will pm you the details on how to go about getting one.

I know BA, Luftansa, AA and some others allow 50 rounds in checked baggage. But I am flying after 3 weeks and I am flying Kuwait airways. They do not allow ammo in checked bags. But it was the cheapest first class ticket that I could find :lol: All other airlines were a few thousand dollars more.

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Re: Deposits for Arms License

Post by prashantsingh » Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:38 pm

Dear goodboy_mentor,
That is a very interesting observation. (not a healthy trend by the govt. to force people into investing something). I never thought on those lines before?
Probably because
1. It was not a very big amount .
2. I was inheriting all my weapons and was anyways not spending on buying new ones.
and
3. I felt that if this investment is used by them (the Govt.) in any way for the betterment of the lesser privileged . Then there is no harm in doing so.

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Re: Deposits for Arms License

Post by prashantsingh » Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:15 am

On second thought.
How would you react goodboy_mentor if you were put in the same situation?

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Re: Deposits for Arms License

Post by goodboy_mentor » Sun Apr 18, 2010 11:01 am

Dear prashantsingh,
I am opposing this idea of government not because it is against my personal opinions but because it is not a healthy trend as a matter of principle.
1. It was not a very big amount .
1. It may not be a big amount for me, but it can be a big amount for someone else.
2. It may not be a big amount for me today, but since government is doing this not as per law, but as per its pleasure, it may raise this amount tomorrow. Then it may become a big amount for me.
2. I was inheriting all my weapons and was anyways not spending on buying new ones.
and
I am inheriting weapons but what about others who are not inheriting weapons?
3. I felt that if this investment is used by them (the Govt.) in any way for the betterment of the lesser privileged . Then there is no harm in doing so.
I agree it may appear as harmless today, but it may not be tomorrow, it is a wrong trend. If the government is really interested in helping the poor, it should set its own house in order first, provide corruption free, good governance with justice, rather than penalizing some citizens to compensate for its corruption and systematic loot. With close to 70 lakh crores (70,000,00,00,00,000) of unaccounted public money stashed by politicians, bureaucrats and the rich in Swiss banks and the like abroad, how does one get hold of that money? I can’t imagine money is being sent abroad by carrier pigeons – it must be going through the banking system!
The world highest deposits in Swiss banks $ 145 trillion are Indian nationality, more than USA, UK,China, all Europeans countries,Saudis, Arabs states,even the Russian and their Mafia. $145 trillion belonging to Indian govt, RBI, Indian banks, Indian corporates lie in Swiss Banks.You would like to believe that they have special interest rates for INDIANs!!!!!
This is money collected in 60 years by politicians, babus, industrialists which rightfully belong to Indian common man. This is one of main causes of naxalism, maoism etc. Are we not heading towards civil war? India is one of the most corrupt countries [despite being most religious !!!] and hence India's contribution to black money of the world is also highest. It is difficult to find even 10% really honest and capable persons in government.
( 70,000,00,00,00,000 if divided equally among all Indians, taking 1 Billion as population, comes to around Rs 70,000 per person. If we use it for the people below poverty line, the figure will go much higher per head. It can almost change the future of India)
Reference: http://thesocialblog.wordpress.com/2009 ... oney-back/
How would you react goodboy_mentor if you were put in the same situation?
It will be really difficult for one individual to make a difference alone. If others join in, it can make a lot of difference.
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I have been telling time and again, these kind of problems are a result of unbridled power delegated to executive by legislature by Arms Act 1959. It suffers from vice of over delegation. Solution lies in getting rid of this Arms Act and declaring the Right to Keep and Bear Arms as a Fundamental Right guaranteed by Constitution. People need to remind and compel Congress to honor it's promise made to the people of India.
The very first draft bill of rights for all Indians was a part of the Nehru Report of 1928, it was prepared by a committee of the All Parties Conference chaired by Motilal Nehru with Jawaharlal Nehru acting as secretary. Along with other basic rights to be enjoyed by every Indian citizen, was also the right to keep and bear arms.
Throughout the freedom struggle our leaders protested against the Arms Act of 1878, demanding for every Indian citizen the right to keep and bear arms. For example in Nagpur around 1923 or 1924 there was a Satyagraha movement against the prevailing Arms Act. This movement attracted Satyagrahis from all over India, it went on for six months and the Indian National Congress put its seal of approval on this Satyagraha movement against the Arms Act. In fact even the Father of Nation, Mahatma Gandhi, protested for the right of every Indian citizen to keep and bear arms, going so far as to state that, “Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest”.
The Indian National Congress in it's historic 1931 Resolution on Fundamental Rights passed at Karachi stated “This Congress is of opinion that to enable the masses to appreciate what Swaraj as conceived by the Congress will mean to them, it is desirable to state the position of the Congress in a manner easily understood by them...” “...The Congress, therefore, declares that any constitution...” please note these words - any constitution, “...which may be agreed to on its behalf, should provide or enable the Swaraj Government to provide for the following...” and various fundamental rights are enumerated, among which was also this one-- “Every citizen has the right to keep and bear arms in accordance with regulations and reservations made in that behalf.”
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Re: Deposits for Arms License

Post by prashantsingh » Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:08 pm

Good points Goodboy_mentor,
The bar has already been raised. From Rs 15000 which I deposited it is now Rs 50000.
We all tend to take the easier path.
I met this rather corrupt officer many years ago in the sarkari office . This person had a reputation (of being corrupt) so you can imagine what he must have been like. This guy said something very interesting. Something which made me laugh and think at the same time. He asked "Aap Hindu hain". I said "Yes". He then told me that he was also one. He said "Hamara to poora system corrupt hai. Ham hindu log to apne Bhagwaan ko bhi ghoos (bribe) khilate hain. Baghwaan se kehte hain ki aap mera kaam karao , main aapko itne rupai ka prashad chadhaonga........Main to ek chota sa sarkaari afsar hoon."
Very recently a friend from England (on a short visit to India to attend his father's funeral ) had to pay Rs 500/= to a babu to register his fathers death and give the death certificate the same evening. The babu had somehow gauged that our man was an N.R.I. I was shocked when my friend told me this.

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Re: Deposits for Arms License

Post by goodboy_mentor » Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:33 pm

The bar has already been raised. From Rs 15000 which I deposited it is now Rs 50000.
Is this "requirement" of the deposit, for getting arms license recorded in government records?(My purpose, is it something that can be obtained by RTI or something only verbal?)
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Re: Deposits for Arms License

Post by prashantsingh » Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:37 pm

Used to be verbal .....when I applied more than a decade ago.

-- Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:38 pm --

The 50000 figure I got from Kamleshwar's post .

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Re: Deposits for Arms License

Post by sudhaiob » Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:08 pm

prashantsingh wrote:Kamleshwar is absolutely correct. I got 3 licences made from Dehradun. Two of them when Dehradun was part of Uttar Pradesh and one when it was made the capital of the newly formed state of Uttarakhand (then Uttaranchal).
Once the licence was sanctioned , I had to purchase N.S.C. (National Saving Certificate) worth Rs 15,000 /= per licence (Rs 45000/= in total).
There is nothing wrong in purchasing them, since you bye them in your name and encash the (exactly like a fixed deposite in a bank) once they mature.
Now I shall tell you the rationalle behind this. The Govt. comes out with schemes (such as N.S.C.) so that people invest in them and then they (the Govt.) can invest this money into development projects. I am not sure but I think such investments are "exempted' from Income Tax. Another such scheme is the Infrastructure bonds where one gets a lesser rate of interest but gets certain tax benefits.
In most cases such schemes do not yield adequate funds on their own account , since the rate of interest is lower compared to other (private) investmens.
Hence the D.M. requests you to invest in such schemes before handing over the licence.
it is similar to what you have said. 50% of the money from the sale of NSC's are ploughed back to the state on soft terms by the central govt. most govt depts have a target under small savings and they adopt a coercive or even a blatant threat to force you to invest in them. previously the returns on NSC's were very good and it was good savings, but of late the returns from them are very poor and people are reluctant to invest in them.
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