Carrying Shotgun as baggage from India to UK> bringing back

[1905mauser]

Nagarifle

Thanks for posting the visitor permit stuff. As we understand its very transparent and clear procedure for bringing in and out of UK. Hope its same esay peese in India as well. long shot eh?

-- Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:42 pm --

Please remember this permission is airline specific, so book ur tkt first and then apply for the permission with a tkt photocopy, and arms license too...anything else, do ask, pls

))))cheers!!!!!!

Thank you very much Amit. This is excellent. If I am not pestering you then I will appreciate if you can detailed out the procedure at airport customs for international departure. Definitely some form will be required to be fileld for custms as well. What details they take down?

mundaire
Thanks for attaching the forms.

cheers.
Siddharth

-- Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:15 pm --

Vikram,
I did search the forum, although the topics were for bringing the guns into India. Hence all this effort.
cheers

u can even take any number of catridges out of india, but there is a specific packing for it....like for eg...

I took 2500 (.32), 3000 (12 bore), & 1500 (.22)........

while going it was included in my permission, & while returning, they counted all the empties and live.....so remember dont bring extra live or empties.......

while going I didnt had permission, as JET dont have there TEAm, I had to cancell my jet flight & book IC - Indian airline, & they instently permitted me, is very comfortable while travelling with air/firearms, as they have there National & international team...

-- Tue Apr 13, 2010 14:55 --

Normally with in India DGCA permission is only required if u taking more than 1 firearm/ air weapon...

Thats great piece of advice here. many thanks for the same.
Are you serious? I mean it, did they count all 500 cartridges? That means if plus/minus the ammo quantity then big trouble as well increased transit time.

by team, I guess you meant, shooting team? So Indian Airlines has its own teams so they have smoothlined these procedures. Wonder if British Airways has similar customer service.

The requirement of DGCA permit for more than one firearm is explicit? official policy? Cause I read 'normally' which will be like taking chances.

Its good to see all the feedback on this thread. Thank you guys.
cheers
Siddharth

[nagarifle]

thanks Amit and Abhiji

-- Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:41 --

oh where do we send the form to if one is not living in delhi?

[amit888_2000]

You are most welcome guys, and thanks abhijeet.....

Ok, at the customs, while going from India, now when you have permission in your hand, and your tickett PNR is also added that this passanger is carrying Dangerous goods with permission, now all you have to do is inform them that is Airline first, and then they will inform security, who will involve lots of attention of important people......they will take you to a secure spot, open your bag, and give you a form then & there to fill all the details...

After all this the airline security and apt security will help you clear immegration, and then take you and you good to customs office at IGI, he will see your origional licence in case of Firearms and your DGCA permission, and stamp them, now you pack your stuff, and board.....

after all is said & done,you will be given permission to board....but remember normally we go 2 hrs before here we go 5-6 hrs before....

Now if one is not living in delhi, I think you can ask DGCA office in ur respective states, or I think, you call them at the number I have given, and courier them all the details, and they will post your permission to you...

ok, guys, here is the number for
DGCA - Mr Sunil Kumar - (Direct Line) 011-24658847, & 011-24622495. EXtention 437........

Always remember your cabin baggage, your cargo baggage, and your permission for dangerous goods baggage are all different, and you paying none.....

Some airline like singapore airlines, charge, you have to explain them, that this permission is for Dangerous goods & excess bagage also......

The forms while abhijeet has posted, please change your details as per requirement......

)))))cheers!!!!!!

-- Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:21 --

Dear siddharth,

This permission for more than 1 firearm is only for the travel in India......As per the rule, you can take 50 live cartriage with 1 weapon, any time, without informing anyone, by air.....

The only thing you have to take care is, In India, while carrying firarm or airweapon, by air, you should have a box, which they seal, & tag as dangerous goods + fragile, and hand it to the pilot....

))))cheers!!!!!

-- Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:31 --

Dear Naga, if you see the form & covering letter posted, on top is the address, let me give you the address & number again........

To,
The Director General of Civil Aviation
DGCA Complex, Opposite Safdarjung Airport
New Delhi – 110003.

DGCA - Mr Sunil Kumar - (Direct Line) 011-24658847, & 011-24622495. EXtention 437........

Mr sunil Kumar use to be there, you can call them and ask for him, or if he is not with them anymore, then some one else, who issue dangerous goods permission, for weapons to be taken out of india / or with in india, by air....

[kanwar76]

Great Information Amit888_2000,

I have some doubts.

1.Are you sure this rule is applicable on all (Or is it only for sport shooters who are going for some event)
2.Can I take out my .22 airgun for some repairs/tuning and bring it back without problem?
3.Can one take out his firearms for say hunting in Africa and bring them back after filling just one form?
4.How long this permission take?

Sorry for so many question but its i am finding it difficult to digest that this procedure can be so simple.

-Inder

[nagarifle]

thanks for that info, well done for sharing as we never before that all the input, which came about of an Indian Scot thanks again

[amit888_2000]

Hi, Inder, a very good question, u dam right, I am a shooter, but on the form it is not written that this applies to only shooters, but yes all shooters have a good access to it, 2nd, it says this permission is for "Carrying of dangerous goods by air", so I think, & my common sense says it applies to all..

yes you can take your airgun .22 for repair & back, but If I ask you, what airgun u have, and what repair, as in India, specially in new delhi, we have all marks men, armdealers who repair all competion weapons, who fire more than 25,000 shots......so if u think its worth, then pls have the same procedure fallow......in case of any doubt i have given number u can call him and ask him, i.e. DGCA...

Pointless taking your gun to country like Africa, I personally been to south africa, and thru my agent, paid for gun, catridges, hunting , and all licenses......so enjoy ur time in south africa, by hiring such services....

if you read the form foot notes, it clearly says takes abt 15 days.....since i am in delhi, so it takes 10 days, some times, in the emergency times, i even taken this permission, thru personal request in 2 days.....so depends....

now, pls dont be sorry, for asking, and pls understand, in India, nothing is easy if u dont know any procedure......

Guys, if u want to know anything, pls dont hesitate to ask, I am able to tell u so much, as i have personally done this many times, and helped my friends lots of times, so u all r welcome....

Once again - I send u his number, pls call him, directly and ask him, if the lines r busy, try alternative, and ask for extension....

To,
The Director General of Civil Aviation
DGCA Complex, Opposite Safdarjung Airport
New Delhi – 110003.

DGCA - Mr Sunil Kumar - (Direct Line) 011-24658847, & 011-24622495. EXtention 437........

)))))cheers!!!!!

[kanwar76]

Thanks Amit for the reply,

You are right they are not asking information regarding any event on the form. Do they ask for any event particulars or letter from NRAI etc that you are taking part in any international event as a shooter?

I will call sunil kumar and ask him in evening.

As far as taking your airgun out for tuning is concerned, I don't think anybody in INDIA can do something like Venom from UK to your airgun and about taking guns to Africa, I am sure people like Sondhy from Delhi and Zubin would like to take their doubles rather than using hired guns.

Thanks once again for all the imformation.

-Inder

[amit888_2000]

ur welcome Inder

Normally when we take permission from DGCA, we give invitation/ compitition letter, NRAI letter, letter from sports ministery, arms licence copy, and lots of other documents....

the best time to call is after 12 in the morning....

)))))cheers!!!!!
Amit

[kanwar76]

ur welcome Inder

Normally when we take permission from DGCA, we give invitation/ compitition letter, NRAI letter, letter from sports ministery, arms licence copy, and lots of other documents....

And thats the catch..

[amit888_2000]

well inder i dont think this is a catch, it is a requirement for DGCA if we saying in our letter that we going for competition.

Last year, some shooters on there own, went to UK for open shotgun shooting competitions, they had, no NRAI & Sports ministery letter, but they got invitation from the competition organiser on there personal names....same some people went to singapore for open championship, they also got permission.

I dont think there is any catch, still ....

The best way is, call them, and ask there requirement's and apply, if they need anything else, they will either call u over the phone, or write a letter to u...

))))cheers!!!!

[1905mauser]

well inder i dont think this is a catch, it is a requirement for DGCA if we saying in our letter that we going for competition.

Last year, some shooters on there own, went to UK for open shotgun shooting competitions, they had, no NRAI & Sports ministery letter, but they got invitation from the competition organiser on there personal names....same some people went to singapore for open championship, they also got permission.

I dont think there is any catch, still ....

The best way is, call them, and ask there requirement's and apply, if they need anything else, they will either call u over the phone, or write a letter to u...

))))cheers!!!!

Great going Amit
Well as many as documents supporting the intention, better are the chances of getting permission from DGCA in one go without any further cycles.
What Amit said is true, even if its stalking its must have been booked/arranged so there will always be some paperwork which can e useful when sumitting to DGCA. And as Nagarifle has put on the rules, for example if someone is coming to UK then the person in India must e in receipt of UK Visitor Permit efore boarding the flight from India.

Many thanks.
Siddharth

-- Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:22 pm --

))))cheers!!!!!!

Thank you very much Amit. This is excellent. If I am not pestering you then I will appreciate if you can detailed out the procedure at airport customs for international departure. Definitely some form will be required to be fileld for custms as well. What details they take down?

Thats great piece of advice here. many thanks for the same.
Are you serious? I mean it, did they count all 500 cartridges? That means if plus/minus the ammo quantity then big trouble as well increased transit time.

by team, I guess you meant, shooting team? So Indian Airlines has its own teams so they have smoothlined these procedures. Wonder if British Airways has similar customer service.

Its good to see all the feedback on this thread. Thank you guys.
cheers
Siddharth[/quote]

Amit,
I will like if you can please share your experience on above.
Thanks.
Siddharth

[amit888_2000]

well sid, as i said u earlier,

they take passport detail, ur permission copy, ur arms serian number, and ur tkt details, else they check weather air pressure is realeased in case of air arms, and chembers empty in case of firearms, and nicely packed, sealed, and labelled as dangerous goods...

yes sid, indian airlines, have its own shooting team, and all official travels through out the year, only happen thru IC/ AI. So they know that shooetrs travel with there weapons......But on contrary, if during ur internation travel, u thru from India, and reaching UK, they find some documents are incomplete, or may be serial number or name or make does not match, then they seal ur weapons at customs in UK, to be given back to u while u depart UK.........(This is international rule) + panelty (May be)....

yes they counted my catridges, live & empty.......to tell u the fact, i had 100 empty extra, so i had to beg him, and he was a good guy, let me off.........

)))))cheers!!!!!!

[nagarifle]

http://dgca.nic.in/airrule/rule%208.pdf

[1905mauser]

Many thanks amit888_2000, nagarifle.

Aplogies for late response. Yesterday I finally submitted my Masters project report and relieved a lot. Today I will be going to local shop to buy some primers for my mauser reloading. A Classic competition coming up in 10 days and I dont even remember if I had fired lately!!

Hope all are in excellent spirits.
cheers
Sid.

[amit888_2000]

ur most welcome, anytime

))))cheers!!!

regards
amit