Lee-Enfield (Series)

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Re: Lee-Enfield (Series)

Post by darwinmauser » Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:10 pm

MoA wrote:I quite dont get the mystique behind the Lee Enflied. Manufactured to varying tolerances, with varying quality, other than being the primary weapon for the Brits for about 50 years... what is the point.

The worst K31 is better in quality than the best SMLE, lets not get started on the crappy Mosins.. :twisted: :twisted:

Ok, you don't hold the Lee Enfield in the high regard that others do , that's a personal preference thing obviously. However , the Lee Enfield served from the late 1800's through to the 1950's as a first line weapon of the British empire and later the commonwealth . In those 70 years that it served ,the quality of manufacture was consistently good ,even in war time manufacture. The tolerances that the rifles were built to were quite adequate for reliability and accuracy . I would bet that I can take a bolt from the last production in Australia ( about 1954 ) and fit it to a turn of the century receiver made by Sparkbrook , BSA, Enfield or LSA and be 95% certain that it would be safe to shoot without using headspace gauges ,I could also do the same with an Indian produced receiver or bolt that was produced under British supervision before independence .After the Brit's left I'm not so sure . :|
The worst K31 might look prettier and more sexy than a LE but has it been proven in 2 world wars and god knows how many minor ones...I think not :roll: The Canadians learned the hard way that finely crafted straight pull rifles did not perform well when they were covered in mud and grime from the trenches just as the Yanks have found out their M16's don't work to well when they're full of Iraqi sand. The only straight pulls that really proved themselves in battle were the M1895 rifles used by the Austro Hungarian empire in WW1. As for the Mosin Nagants ...there battle history and indestructibility are legendary ,they also made a pretty good sniper rifle out of it.

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Re: Lee-Enfield (Series)

Post by nagarifle » Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:49 pm

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Re: Lee-Enfield (Series)

Post by TwoRivers » Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:15 pm

Darwin: Now where did you learn that? Is that why the Austrians adopted a Mannlicher-Schoenauer in 8x57S in 1915 (but then couldn't make the switch during wartime), and adopted a (Mauser) turn-bolt in 1934, but again couldn't go forward because of the depression? Or why Hungary, with the complete production machinery for the M95, switched to a turn-bolt, as did the other successor states? Is that why the Austrian soldiers on the Galician front would carry a rock or brick? No, under muddy conditions the M95 failed, too. Granted, there is no history of it blowing the bolt back when a cartridge case fails; and its bolt can't be wrongly assembled, but as a battle rifle in trench warfare it failed.

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Re: Lee-Enfield (Series)

Post by Vikram » Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:34 am

MoA wrote:I quite dont get the mystique behind the Lee Enflied. Manufactured to varying tolerances, with varying quality, other than being the primary weapon for the Brits for about 50 years... what is the point.

The worst K31 is better in quality than the best SMLE, lets not get started on the crappy Mosins.. :twisted: :twisted:
I haven't personally seen a K31.So, I cannot comment on it. The Enfield rifle is proven everywhere,from Arctic to Sahara, and in every imaginable battle condition.I shot a lot with it and it moves like a wand in my hand for all its bulk.One can get all technical and it does have its place.But, history just proves that the Enfield served its purpose admirably-fight battles.

Re Mosin-Nagants- I do not personally like their looks.But, have you ever seen a programme on Stalingrad on Military History Channel? They very detailedly show how the Mosins kept shooting and accurately so than the K-98s in that bitter bitter Russian winter. I will not dismiss them so easily.

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Re: Lee-Enfield (Series)

Post by eljefe » Sat Mar 06, 2010 6:02 am

MoA, lots of die hard smelly fans here :lol:
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Re: Lee-Enfield (Series)

Post by darwinmauser » Sat Mar 06, 2010 3:15 pm

TwoRivers wrote:Darwin: Now where did you learn that? Is that why the Austrians adopted a Mannlicher-Schoenauer in 8x57S in 1915 (but then couldn't make the switch during wartime), and adopted a (Mauser) turn-bolt in 1934, but again couldn't go forward because of the depression? Or why Hungary, with the complete production machinery for the M95, switched to a turn-bolt, as did the other successor states? Is that why the Austrian soldiers on the Galician front would carry a rock or brick? No, under muddy conditions the M95 failed, too. Granted, there is no history of it blowing the bolt back when a cartridge case fails; and its bolt can't be wrongly assembled, but as a battle rifle in trench warfare it failed.

Ahh.. well..yes , maybe I should have qualified that remark by stating that they were a very successful design compared to the Canadian Ross rifle. :mrgreen: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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