Gurgaon police orders submission of licenced arms by March

[goodboy_mentor]

Ref: http://in.news.yahoo.com/48/20100102/81 ... on-of.html and
http://in.news.yahoo.com/32/20091218/10 ... ed-ar.html

The Centre has issued a directive that all licenced weapons in the NCR should be deposited at least six months before the start of the games, Gurgaon Police Commissioner Surjeet Singh Deswal told reporters here on Saturday.

This is the most senseless and unlawful of all. Will the terrorists and criminals also submit their illegal weapons?

By asking the affected licensed firearm holders to submit their firearms even when there is no valid case related to the misuse of firearm by them, I think following are being violated by government:

1) The very purpose of keeping a legal firearm for self protection is getting defeated.
2) By asking the legally owned firearms to be deposited, the right to self protection as allowed by Section 96 to Section 106 of the Indian Penal Code is getting infringed. And this very act of government by rendering the citizens incapable of effectively defending themselves, is a violation of right to life as guaranteed by Constitution's article 21.
3) By this order, the government by asking to deposit all legal firearms, is rendering law abiding citizens defenseless against random violent crime by terrorists and criminals. Government is indirectly saying that the citizens do not have the inalienable right to protect their life and property. Hence the violation of Article 21 of Constitution is confirmed.
4) Government is making an assumption that all legal firearm owners are prone to misuse their weapons, which is an affront to the law abiding citizens keeping legal firearms.
5) Government is making an assumption that terrorists and criminals are fully dependent on legally held firearms, whereas the data says just exactly the opposite.
6) The government is equating all legal firearm owners with criminals and terrorists, which is an affront to the law abiding firearm license holders.
7) The government is going against the very principles and objectives of Arms Act, on basis of which firearm licenses have been legally issued.
Any opinion by members conversant with the letters of law?

[xl_target]

One has to realize by now that most Governments don't care about the individual.

You can only force them to care by:
1. Taking them to court to make them follow the rules.
2. Voting them out of power

At least in India these two options still exist. In many other countries, the people have no options.

[goodboy_mentor]

I am thinking of filing a PIL through "e-filing" option at http://www.supremecourtofindia.nic.in/ with the above points. Is this matter suitable for a PIL at Hon'ble Supreme Court? Requesting from all any more points, inputs, ideas, suggestions both positive and negative, especially from members familiar with law.

[Big Gay Al]

WOW, after what happened in New Orleans, post Katrina, I don't think anyone would even dream of trying such a thing here, in the USA. You have my best wishes in your fight for your right to keep and bear arms. I pray this will turn out for your benefit.

[Sakobav]

Wow its really cold in Northern India all that fog sublimly has started clouding the common sense of the decision makers and freezing the grey matter too

[m24]

It's a sorry fact, but stupidity reigns supreme with our white collared class.

Regards

[kanwar76]

Hmmm I have no words,

I think its high time when gun owners of this country should come on roads asking to be treated as equals not as crminals.

-Inder

[goodboy_mentor]

I think its high time when gun owners of this country should come on roads asking to be treated as equals not as crminals.

The main problem is that they are not organized or aware of their rights. Hopefully things will change once NAGRI gets started. Requesting from all any more points, inputs, ideas, suggestions both positive and negative, especially from members familiar with law.

[Anand]

So long as a justification is present, they can do this, the justification here is the "potential" misuse of the firearms and for the purposes of "security" which sounds very reasonable and appears good on paper. Unfortunately, reality is far from this logic and justification, and licensees are the only ones really inconvenienced by this "ill"logic.
Anand

[m24]

So long as a justification is present, they can do this, the justification here is the "potential" misuse of the firearms and for the purposes of "security" which sounds very reasonable and appears good on paper.
Anand

But, isn't that a perceived notion and hence, be questioned?? I am sure they won't have any data to back their "potential justification".

Regards

[goodboy_mentor]

So long as a justification is present, they can do this, the justification here is the "potential" misuse of the firearms

So two fundamental questions of law arise:

1) Under what "justifications" can the right to self protection of citizens, as allowed by Section 96 to Section 106 of the Indian Penal Code and the Right to Life under Article 21 can be infringed upon by taking away legal firearms which have been allowed by following the due procedures laid down by Arms Act etc.

2) What is the "justification" to disarm only and all those citizens who have followed the due process of the law to legally keep firearms for self protection? Is this order also going to disarm all the criminals holding unknown number and type of weapons?

[eljefe]

wasn't the last armed bank robbery in GGn with a 16lb single shot martini 22LR?
yup the cops and journos would label it a 'sophisticated high power firearm"
Sophistry!!

[ravi.sharma]

Things are getting BAD to WORST.

First the government comes up with No Good Amendment to ARMS ACT and Now this. Above all they have mentioned that the Liecence Holders need to submit their Arms SIX MONTHS prior to the start of the Games: RIDICULOUS. I don't understand this, first thing first, the law abiding citizens are penalized by comparing us or judging us as a potential criminal. The Basic point to obtain the Liecence for Fire Arm is that we need it for self defence and want to do the same under the LAW of our country. If i want to misuse my Fire Arm or I am a Criminal, why the Hell shall i go through the painful procedure of obtaining a Liecence for Fire Arm, then either wait for the World Famous IOF revolver / Pistol or pay from my nose for a Second Hand Fire Arm. The Guys (criminals) who intend to commit the crime, will by no means be bothered by this NEWS. Then why are we Law Abiding citizens asked to do something, which shall be of no use to the government but will be a good news for the Guys on the other side of the Fence.

Apart from this the government wants the citizen to submit their Fire Arms SIX MONTHS Prior to the GAMES, WHY?
I could only predict it this way. Government has ordered a XMAS period for the criminals. They have openly announced for the criminals, that the guys they were eyeing for a long time but could not do anything as they possesed Fire Arm /s for Self Defence will be no longer having it with them and have now become easy targets.
This Discount scheme is valid from 6 months prior to the games and shall be till the End of the games. SO ENJOY SHOPPING.


Ravi.

[Ticky]

"The Centre has issued a directive that all licenced weapons in the NCR should be deposited at least six months before the start of the games, Gurgaon Police Commissioner Surjeet Singh Deswal told reporters here on Saturday."

If our Government allows another attack like the one in Mumbai, especially in Delhi and that too during the much awaited Games period, it would make a big joke out of itself.

Considering that there could be some misuse of legally owned fire arms, even then, I personally feel that there could be very few incidents/casualties as compared to the attack in Mumbai by terrorists.

[m24]

Anyways, I've decided to submit my Holi plastic water gun with the NCR authorities, just in case a squirt creates "Law & Order" situation during this 6 month period. I am such a good concerned citizen.

Regards