Benefit of having "Licensed" gun in India

[goodboy_mentor]

Benefit of having "Licensed" gun in India is that criminals can procure the list of gun owners from corrupt government employees and rob them of their guns. It is a high time that gun "licensing" must go, as anyways there are plenty of unlicensed guns flooded in the market.
Reference http://www.telegraphindia.com/1090504/j ... 911857.jsp

[nagarifle]

i would disagree with doing away with liceces. this instance as reported does not happen in metros, also someone in the arms office was responsible for the giving of the list.

also what can a single man with a single barrel with yearly quata of ammo being less then desired, do against AKs?

[goodboy_mentor]

Nagarifle I beg to differ when I take the reality into consideration. For a law abiding citizen, getting and keeping "Licensed' firearm appears nothing short of harassment. It starts from the day you apply for arms license:

1) Prove & justify the need to defend your life and property in order to get a "License" from Govt.(those with connections, do not need to do so.) ELSE forget about license.

2) If your file reaches a corrupt employee in Arms Act Department, be happy to grease his palms to make your file move. ELSE forget about license.

3) If your file reaches a corrupt policeman at your local police station, be happy to grease his palms to get "Police Verification" done in honest way. ELSE forget about license.

4) If you are lucky to get a license, be happy to pay through your nose to get a substandard firearm and meagre yearly quota of ammunition.

5) During elections or any law & order problem, be happy to get your firearm deposited with the police when you need it the most to defend yourself.

6) If you happen to be in a virtual lawless state like West Bengal, be happy to get your details in hands of criminals and become their target & ready yourself to part with your weapon.

Sadly this is the grim reality in India for law abiding citizen, he is seen with suspicion by his own government. And for criminals, they give 3 hoots to the law and get weapons of their own choice from black market.

By keeping the reality into consideration, it is now up to the wisdom of the citizens of our country to decide whether so called "Licenses" serve any purpose in preventing firearms reaching the hands of criminals.

[nagarifle]

Nagarifle I beg to differ when I take the reality into consideration. For a law abiding citizen, getting and keeping "Licensed' firearm appears nothing short of harassment. It starts from the day you apply for arms license:

hi goodboy_mentor, i agree with you on what you have said but let me point out this.

1) Prove & justify the need to defend your life and property in order to get a "License" from Govt.(those with connections, do not need to do so.) ELSE forget about license

its not the arms act but official who are trusted to carry out the act. Do so under their own understanding.

2) If your file reaches a corrupt employee in Arms Act Department, be happy to grease his palms to make your file move. ELSE forget about license

its not the arms act but official who are trusted to carry out the act. Do so under their own understanding.

3) If your file reaches a corrupt policeman at your local police station, be happy to grease his palms to get "Police Verification" done in honest way. ELSE forget about license

its not the arms act but official who are trusted to carry out the act. Do so under their own understanding

4) If you are lucky to get a license, be happy to pay through your nose to get a substandard firearm and meagre yearly quota of ammunition.

substandard arms is production problem, lets us say that if the license is not requred for arms. you still have to deal with the finance ministry to deal with as import are banned buy them. so if you own/have imported arms it will be jail able offense. same will not apply to local produce ones.

the ammo quota again is the human factor and not the arms act.

its not the arms act but official who are trusted to carry out the act. Do so under their own understanding.

5) During elections or any law & order problem, be happy to get your firearm deposited with the police when you need it the most to defend yourself.

this is not the arms act or license issue but the election commission order. which needs to be addressed to them, they have already issued a notice about deposits of arms covered in other thread.

again , official who are trusted to carry out the act. Do so under their own understanding.

6) If you happen to be in a virtual lawless state like West Bengal, be happy to get your details in hands of criminals and become their target & ready yourself to part with your weapon.

a law and order is the problems of the state and any information that is given out is a human factor which the state law should deal with.

Sadly this is the grim reality in India for law abiding citizen, he is seen with suspicion by his own government. And for criminals, they give 3 hoots to the law and get weapons of their own choice from black market.

well said,

By keeping the reality into consideration, it is now up to the wisdom of the citizens of our country to decide whether so called "Licenses" serve any purpose in preventing firearms reaching the hands of criminals.

the law is a safe guard for all, if administrated correctly. since the criminals are out side it. it does not apply to them.

as for license serves any purpose? why do we have car license as criminals also steel cars? and cars also kill children as well and any one else.

you and i know the unjust system, it has no understanding.

what is needed is a simple clear arms act which sets out the responsibility of the arms license authority what they can and can't do. to have an independent appalete authority's,

[goodboy_mentor]

Agree but not entirely.

[boatme99]

Arms Acts are never instituted to prevent criminals from accessing firearms! The ONLY reason is to keep the people from having the means to protect themselves from a Government that is afraid of them. All else is a smoke screen to make it more palatable to the voters.

[goodboy_mentor]

Absolutely correct. Hope GFI goes through, and meet officials in Government especially Home Minister etc and try to convince with facts.

[Tai Ahom]

And remind that it has been more than 60 years the Britishers have left the country and so they can do away with the obsolete Act as there is no fear of mutiny by the citizens any longer.

Bhaskar

[boatme99]

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." Mahatma Gandhi

[goodboy_mentor]

Guys,

Just discussing on this forum is not going to improve the situation. These things have been discussed repeatedly time and again. GFI has to get its act together and move in right direction. Those willing, will have to come forward.

Regards
goodboy_mentor

[Risala]

Guys,

Just discussing on this forum is not going to improve the situation. These things have been discussed repeatedly time and again. GFI has to get its act together and move in right direction. Those willing, will have to come forward.

Regards
goodboy_mentor

There is no GFI,you can always apply for a NRAI membership,and see if it helps your cause.

[goodboy_mentor]

1) NRAI has done nothing/will do nothing to further RKBA, neither seems interested in RKBA. It is only interested to toe government line. At the best it can hold matches.

2) It is not only my cause, it is the cause of people who believe in true democracy & freedom, hence RKBA.