Airgun import experiences - via personal baggage route

[tirths]

Hi Inder,
You mean to say, you can pass customs with a .50 cal. airgun legally, since as other than .177 no other bore is mentioned?

In any case lets call for a poll. I don't know how to create one.

-Tirtha

According to my understanding Yes until the said airgun doesn't fail the deal wood test.

There is no advantage of poll her because there is still no clear understanding on the matter so the poll results will also convey the same verdict "Confused" that is ...

-Inder

Hey, in that case you can carry a big bore barrel too attached with a dummy gun and will never fail the wood test. This could be window for illigal import.

[kanwar76]

Hi Inder,
You mean to say, you can pass customs with a .50 cal. airgun legally, since as other than .177 no other bore is mentioned?

In any case lets call for a poll. I don't know how to create one.

-Tirtha

According to my understanding Yes until the said airgun doesn't fail the deal wood test.

There is no advantage of poll her because there is still no clear understanding on the matter so the poll results will also convey the same verdict "Confused" that is ...

-Inder

Hey, in that case you can carry a big bore barrel too attached with a dummy gun and will never fail the wood test. This could be window for illigal import.

Whats a dummy gun? I can give you many things which you can do with legally imported .177 to make it illegal Whats you going to do with a big bore barrel alone. Don't you think its illgal to have a .177 gun which can fail deal wood test so same thought of your can be applied there also.

I will say once again.. Don't throw your foot on the axe..

-Inder

[tirths]

Whats a dummy gun? I can give you many things which you can do with legally imported .177 to make it illegal Whats you going to do with a big bore barrel alone. Don't you think its illgal to have a .177 gun which can fail deal wood test so same thought of your can be applied there also.

I will say once again.. Don't throw your foot on the axe..

-Inder

What I understand from you, without a license or import permit, you can legally carry a 9mm or .50 barrel or a barrel attached with a less powerful gun along with you.

What extra stuff we can do with .177 after clearance is secondary and not our topic.

[kanwar76]

What I understand from you, without a license or import permit, you can legally carry a 9mm or .50 barrel or a barrel attached with a less powerful gun along with you.

According to ME yes as 9mm air gun or .50 air gun is not a PB arm in INDIA and can be legally owned provided it satisfy the deal wood law. Importing .177 is a recent notification and if we go by it then all the guns which came into country by personal baggage before were illegally allowed by the customs and this notification is not a step in right direction but in reality it made the things worse.

I bought an air gun with me as personal baggage and I followed all rules by declaring it and getting it inspected by police department etc. Not even a single time either customs or police personal from CAR mentioned any notification and according to people at CAR .22 is perfectly okay.

So I once again say don’t add into confusion on the matter and we should not make it messier by putting forth OUR opinions which are nothing but OUR understanding which may be different than reality.

-Inder

[striker]

What I understand from you, without a license or import permit, you can legally carry a 9mm or .50 barrel or a barrel attached with a less powerful gun along with you.

According to ME yes as 9mm air gun or .50 air gun is not a PB arm in INDIA and can be legally owned provided it satisfy the deal wood law. Importing .177 is a recent notification and if we go by it then all the guns which came into country by personal baggage before were illegally allowed by the customs and this notification is not a step in right direction but in reality it made the things worse.

I bought an air gun with me as personal baggage and I followed all rules by declaring it and getting it inspected by police department etc. Not even a single time either customs or police personal from CAR mentioned any notification and according to people at CAR .22 is perfectly okay.

So I once again say don’t add into confusion on the matter and we should not make it messier by putting forth OUR opinions which are nothing but OUR understanding which may be different than reality.

-Inder

inder
9mm or .5 air gun even though passes the deal wood is considered as Pb in because it can fire service guns Bullet Projoectile, You are so lucky that Bangalore customs and police allow .22 airgun after inspection when carried as personal baggage i agree with that ,but In chennai airport The customs officers follow the dgft rules for airguns ie only .177 airgun can be carried as personal baggage with the rifle club membership details.
In chennai if i carried a .177 air rifle as personal baggage while returning from abroad ,and then declare them at customs they detain the parcel with proper notice slip to me ,then they send the air rifle to forensic lab to get a certificate that it passes the deal wood test to confirm as airgun and its caliber .
After they Receive the certificate from the lab That it passed the deal wood and its caliber as .177 caliber they will ask to submit the rifle club Membership Xerox copy .if all copies are submitted my .177 airgun will be delivered to me . In case it passes the deal wood test confirming as airgun and the caliber is .22 then the officer says that the .22 airgun is not covered under Dgft so it will be detained till we produce a Dgft notice saying .22 caliber is allowed for import by rifle club memebr...so...so......we Cannot Argue with them saying That .22 airgun is not covered in Dgft so it can be imported
In General some Airport whites Follow Dgft Rules for personal baggage .177 airrifle and in some airport like delhi allow airgun without caliber restriction or other memebrship details

cheers
sankar





Men

[mundaire]

There is a lot of hearsay and assumptions being bandied about, allow me to clarify (to the best of my knowledge/ understanding):

1) Barrel imports are restricted

2) 9mm or any other "calibre" for that matter DOES NOT automatically denote PB! This has been repeated umpteen number of times, the "test" is that the guns in questions should be able to "CHAMBER AND FIRE" service ammuntion. Reminds me of a joke a friend shared with me a couple of days back... he was laughing about the misinterpretation by some licensing authorities of 7.62 mm (.30 cal) pistols as PB firearms - since the Arms Act/ Arms Rules mentioned 7.62 mm as a restricted/ PB calibre. Now .30 cal = 7.62 mm which means that if this logic is to be applied it would mean that basically all .30 cal firearms are PB, including the popular .30-06 (amongst many others)!! Once again - just because a gun/ airgun shares the same nominal calibre DOES NOT mean it can "CHAMBER AND FIRE" the same/ similar ammunition. This is a dangerously incorrect assumption!!

3) The ONLY qualification for an airgun to be exempted from ALL PROVISIONS of the Arms Act is that is should satisfy the deal wood test. This would include (but not be limited to) the blanket ban on firearm imports.

Knocking off for the night, will add more tomorrow...

Cheers!
Abhijeet

[siddu_2u]

hi im siddharth
im planing 2 buy a nice air rifle . since my brothers coming from the US it think im lucky
i wanted him to bring me a remington air master with plunametric pump action & 800or somethin
fps or a remington sumit with 1000 fps .I want to know further importing details from U.S & my brother asked me for a proper legal notice or a document by the govt . & any links & the air line rules & regulations in detail
& comming to the air pistol i want to buy a crossman T4 co2 gun which can fire both pellets &
metal bbs , is it posible 2 bring both of them together at a time & is a laser target light allowed
& few doubts like that u can suggest any other gun for me

& most important whats the maximum fps to pass the wood test

u can chaeck the bellow links for the gun details :

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product. ... id=5913355
or remingtons official website

http://www.crosman.com/airguns/rifles/b ... el/RW1K77X

http://www.crosman.com/airguns/pistols/T4CS

[TenX]

hi im siddharth
im planing 2 buy a nice air rifle . since my brothers coming from the US it think im lucky
i wanted him to bring me a remington air master with plunametric pump action & 800or somethin
fps or a remington sumit with 1000 fps .I want to know further importing details from U.S & my brother asked me for a proper legal notice or a document by the govt . & any links & the air line rules & regulations in detail
& comming to the air pistol i want to buy a crossman T4 co2 gun which can fire both pellets &
metal bbs , is it posible 2 bring both of them together at a time & is a laser target light allowed
& few doubts like that u can suggest any other gun for me

& most important whats the maximum fps to pass the wood test

u can chaeck the bellow links for the gun details :

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product. ... id=5913355
or remingtons official website

http://www.crosman.com/airguns/rifles/b ... el/RW1K77X

http://www.crosman.com/airguns/pistols/T4CS

Hi Siddharth...
Most of the answers are already there in existing posts. I guess it would be best for you to go thru them all, and all your queries should be answered.
Also, a proper introduction would be more welcoming here, and would probably get you more responses.. All the best

[Prabhath]

Siddharth,

Like TenX has already told you, please go through the earlier threads to get the information you need. Any reason why you have chosen the Remington airgun? Why not look at some of the better stuff available? It's not everyday that you can think about buying an airgun. Go through different websites, read about the other brands available and then take a call. All the best in advance.

[TenX]

Matter of fact, there is another thread which discusses on which airgun to buy also

[siddu_2u]

hi
im planing to buy a crossman T4 air pistol .177 which fires bot pellets & bbs it has a velovity of 430 fps . can some one say is it possible to import an air gun to india from U . S . A via luggage & can u give me the set of rules in a brief way official govt links if possible . & whats the maximum velocity of an air gun ( fps ) to let pass the wood test . u can suggest any other stuff if u like & heres the link for the gun


http://www.crosman.com/airguns/pistols/T4CS


& ur suggestions on the air rifles given bellow with their links ( might be helpful for u )

Remington Air Master .177 with ( 857 ) fps which is a pneumatic pump action gun

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product. ... id=5913355

Remington Sumit .177 with ( 1000 ) fps

http://www.crosman.com/airguns/rifles/b ... el/RW1K77X

Diana Panther 31 or 350 magnum & i want 2 know whats the difference between professional & the normal one & the difference between compact & the ordinary gun .


thanks

[TenX]

Dude.. Dont post duplicates..
... and like I told you earlier, all the information is there for you to search and read in previous posts and topics...
... and do give an introduction so thet everyone will feel comfortable in responding... that way, you will get better answers for your queries...

[siddu_2u]

my apolagies
hi my name is siddharth im from hyderabad im 19 right now . its just my intrest towards shooting that gave me a thought to get a bit professional . i have my dads old shangai b2 air rifle .22 & i just try some of back yard shooting when ever possible its a great gun infact but u know i just wan2 get something even better . so ive asked a gun smith here in hyd & suggested me to better go for an imported one . he suggested me 2 go for a diana but its just brand name that dragged me towards remington .
hey dont hesitate in giving any remarks abut the gun or any of the ones ive mentioned .
thanks for ur suggestion . y not u give me the names of the guns or their links . i will always welcome any of ur suggestions or remarks .
& comming to the importing rules my bro is a bit too much careful so i wanted 2 show him some real document type of stuff even after reading the previous topics
waiting for ur suggestions
thanks again

[SRI 420]

Hi siddu,
Good to see another member from Hyderabad A. P. You should post your introduction in the "Introductions" thread for all members to see. Anyway the Genesis™ from Remington seems to be a good gun. check the following links.
http://www.remington.com/products/licen ... r_guns.asp
http://www.pyramydair.com/p/remington-g ... ifle.shtml
Happy & Safe Shooting,
Srinivas

[mundaire]

AFAIK the Remington air-rifle range is simply contracted out to Chinese manufacturers, so why pay more for the same quality? In stead why not just buy a Chicom brand?

Of course one's buying decision is usually dictated by budget considerations, but at the lower end I'd suggest you go in for one of the Chicom BAM models, medium range check out the Gamos or Dianas and if you really want a once in a lifetime buy then think in terms of the HW (Weihrauch) or Air Arms.

Cheers!
Abhijeet