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Post by SRI 420 » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:24 pm

TenX";p="55828 wrote:Sharky... wait for a month and see if you can get the imported one.... They will mostly be better :0
Hi Tenx,
An imported one? Where? When? What cost etc? Would like more information about the same if possible please.
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Post by TenX » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:30 pm

SHARKMAN";p="55827 wrote: ...Otherwise I will ask my cousin who will be returning from Dubai next month to get me a airgun ...
Sharkman mentioned his cousin can get him one... :)

Guess you mistook me to be selling one.. sorry :)
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Post by SRI 420 » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:47 pm

Thanx Tenx,
Thanks for the clarification, I thought someone in Bangalore would be getting imported guns and yes they are almost always better.
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Re: IHP "National" air rifles & pistols

Post by lazybones » Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:18 pm

Hi Sri:
I can vouch for Aimco. I picked up my 35 from him in June. Just a couple of hundred over the MRP for crating and shipping by Gatti. it's well packed in straw and nailed shut in a dealwood chestand is delivered to your door. Also, dealing with Joy is a pleasure. My back sight was defective and IHP slept on my mails. Joy had the sight delivered to me in days at no charge.

I was skeptical when I first got it; it had a cone of fire as wide as Ulsoor Lake :) and a trigger that was a brick wall. However, after about 500 shots it settled in and I regard it with some affection now.

The 35 in .177 has a trajectory that's flat as a pan. A friend's 35 in .22 has a pronounced arc peaking at about 18-20 meters. It's not a bad deal at the MRP price.

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Post by pkjeetesh » Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:24 am

ravindrareddym";p="169 wrote: :) This is for Owners of IHP / National Air Rifles & Pistols

You may post your experiences .

Problems with Rifles & Pistols.

Mainatainence of Rifles & Pistols.

Correction of Rifles & Pistols.

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these IHPs are good for short ranges...I have two .22 B35s and one .177 B35....all guns shoot well at 45m...the guns have some flaws however...the C section below the receiver which holds the stock screws is hot plugged into the receiver...in course of time it gives up...better to spot weld on the sides to the receiver...drill, tap 6mm holes to it, use 6mm philips gold screws with some loctite...the same goes with the main screw at the trigger which holds the receiver...use only loctite here...also....the sliding lock at the breech does not hold up well when this gun shoots...check for firm locking mechanism while buying the gun....for one of my guns I used a slightly oversized synthetic nylon O ring as a breech washer which worked...ie providing an okay lock as well ensuring no leakage of air...these guns work well with lighter pellets...I use either Gsmith pointed head or flat wadcutters...for maintenance....use felt pellets every 500 shots...lightly oil the spring and compression port with a few drops of oil every 1000shots or when the gun squeaks...it'll keep the gun going...in my opinion this is the best Indian gun available till date...brands like GNW, SDA, UTA etc.. are absolutely useless...

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Post by tirths » Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:42 am

pkjeetesh";p="57339 wrote:...in my opinion this is the best Indian gun available till date...brands like GNW, SDA, UTA etc.. are absolutely useless...
Try Cannon it will be a day and night difference with IHP. (I came to know still they are selling in Calcutta though they are not good in marketing as IHP).

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Post by Rottmeister » Sat Jan 10, 2009 10:44 pm

Following is a product detail I came across in

http://www.gsmithco.com/accessories3.htm

My question is:

i. Can they be fitted in a .22 Aimco air-rifle?

ii. Out of High Force and High Impact pellets (featured in the same website), which one has the most stopping power in the .22 category?

High Power
AIR RIFLE SPRINGS

To give a new lease of life to your Spring - Piston Air Rifle. G. Smith & Co. has developed and produced the main springs to achieve higher velocities and ranges. The springs are made from the best German spring steels and are processed by German technology - The springs are tamed for easy compressing (cocking / loading) and fast expanding for developing high compression and velocity - life long.

The springs are pre lubricated with a special lubrication formula
Supplied with a sticker to stick on your air gun stock for which you will be proud of
Available for 23, 25, 27 & 35 models


PISTON SEALS

The G. Smith piston seals (Leather Washer) are produced from the best tanned and treated leather to withstand the very high bouncing speed of the high power springs and the friction with the pump housing and to create the best compression to deliver the highest velocity and range.

Provided with a derlin piston head and fiber washer.

Available for 35 / 25 models.
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Post by eternalme » Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:06 am

Just curious !

Has someone ever done a FPS or muzzle velocity check on IHP babes ?
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Re: IHP "National" air rifles & pistols

Post by Goldfinger » Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:27 pm

Got a Combro chronoscope from ai. My IHP 35 was lying unused since a year or two and it is about ten years old. Fired twice with two Indian make double-head pellets to get the piston alive and then chronoed with two nameless pellets. Results 630 fps and 670 fps. These were light pellets. Didn't continue further because I had my brand new PCP waiting for similar evaluation.

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Post by fantumfan2003 » Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:24 am

Goldfinger

Very useful information. The IHP 35 has a leather piston ? I wonder what fps the new IHPs with synthetic washers would give ? I am told they do close to 700fps in .177. I think if tuned and lubed properly....they should deliver about 750fps.

Please do find the time to chrony your IHP 35 with various pellets. I will be very useful data for all of us.

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Goldfinger";p="64169 wrote:Got a Combro chronoscope from ai. My IHP 35 was lying unused since a year or two and it is about ten years old. Fired twice with two Indian make double-head pellets to get the piston alive and then chronoed with two nameless pellets. Results 630 fps and 670 fps. These were light pellets. Didn't continue further because I had my brand new PCP waiting for similar evaluation.
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Post by shahid » Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:31 am

These figures are for .177 calibre I assume or is it .22 ?

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Post by Goldfinger » Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:03 pm

For .22. Got some Gsmiths coming. Shall check with strings of 10 shots and also with Mastershot.

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Post by fantumfan2003 » Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:43 pm

Wow thats great performance.
If your 35 is 10 years old and never seen any parts replacements then its got to have a leather washer.
Assuming your pellets weighed 12 grains, the muzzle energy is 11.26 ft.lbs.
Although some chaps here disagreed, the docs was right about the 35 being a 12ft.lbs gun.
I am getting myself a .177 IHP 35 at the first available opportunity.

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Goldfinger";p="64244 wrote:For .22. Got some Gsmiths coming. Shall check with strings of 10 shots and also with Mastershot.

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Post by pkjeetesh » Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:48 am

Manish..assuming that everything else remains the same in the new IHP and only a synthetic washer is used...why would it give increased FPS?

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Post by karizman » Wed Jan 14, 2009 2:37 am

Synthetic washer seals the area more efficiantly than leather even if it is little drier. Secondly the co efficiant of the synthetic washer is much less than leather so that it drags less.

The efficiancy of spring powered airgun is dependant on following facts.
1- size & surface finish of compression area. Larger the area, more swept volume of air but spring size also has to be increased to utilise extra air available.

2- diameter, length, design, surface finish & placement of transfer port. Normally transfer ports in straight line to piston's axis give maximum performanance. That is why Diana 52 / 54 are more powerful even after having swept volume similar to many break barrel airguns.

3- Minimum or no lekage of air by means of more flexible sealing materials. But at the same time we have to take care of friction because the piston is compressing air while moving forward & at great speed. Any drag by means of scratches on cylinder walls, piston head, spring housing, spring guide or piston washer material with higher coefficiant of friction can reduce the performance of an airgun.
Another thing to keep in mind here is that as piston is moving forward it's front surface is expanding & sealing the air in front of it which is getting hotter due to rapid compression. Temperatures can reach upto 500 deg. centigrade for a milisecond but that is enough for changing any material's atomic structure & eventually the outcome will be different if the material used is not able to withstand these sudden changes.

4- Air sealing by pellet skirt. Pellets used should be of uniform size & should be little oversize to the bore. May be oversized to the bore by say about 0.02 to 0.05mm to achieve perfect seal. Pellets should not be seating flush with the bore by simply inserting but should have to make you work them push with thumb to be flush with the bore.

This is equally important because as you can see that pellet is fired by compressed air. To achieve maximum compression any hollow area has to be perfectly sealed from all the sides. While firing an airgun piston on it's forward travel is gathering available air in compression area for first 2/3rd of it's travel stroke & in the last 1/3rd stroke it is pushing the projectile from it's seat. Furthermore the air behind projectile pushes it out of barrel. You must have noticed here that air is being compressed only till pellet is in it's seat & thereafter air is trying to expand in additional area of barrel while travelling behind pellet. So no compression once pellet has left it's seat.

Therefore any single change in this chain of compression area, transfer port, spring, piston washer, lubrication, pellet size can have drastic effect on overall performance of an airgun. In general our Indian manufacturer have never thought about or applied any of the points mentioned above. They are simply interested in making maximum profit with minimum efforts.

You may improve upon your factory made airgun by improving upon above mentioned points. I have had improved airguns with as much as 300 ft/sec difference over a factory made IHPs & Hesbees Cannons in the past. Besides these there are many more aspects to consistant & smooth shooting accurate airgun. I will be sharing it here whenever possible.
pkjeetesh";p="64370 wrote:Manish..assuming that everything else remains the same in the new IHP and only a synthetic washer is used...why would it give increased FPS?

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