Dealers feedback on import policy

[nagarifle]

how about a baseball bat, works wonders,

if get bored with the clients u can play the game as well. multi purpose hard hitting fun for all.

its cheap easy to use, single action swing.etc

[penpusher]

I feel that dealers would also benefit from the import of firearms being allowed again.Instead of making a huge profit from sale of one or two firearms,they would be able to make the same sort of profit from increased sales.The incentive for hanky panky would also disappear.

IOFB will then be able to concentrate on making arms for the armed forces

[mundaire]

Your are very true in saying above , I strongly told this busniness man not to even go for pistol , S&W 2 inche snubby would be best for him, practice is out of question , he is even finding hard to cock this pistol as the spring is hard but the pistol is having double stack magazine and in excellent condiction . Strongly adviced him not to carry and practice atleast once in a week atlest 12 shots otherwise some will snatch and runaway this status symbol. James....

I think I may have told this story before as well... anyhow here goes:

One of my Dad's good friend's (who runs a family owned FMCG company of some repute) elder brother got kidnapped en route to work in western UP, eventually he was released and the captors were all busted (one was his personal chauffeur), but he/ his family was left with a strong feeling of insecurity. Anyhow the long & short of it is that I was deputed to teach Dad's friend how to shoot his .32 cal revolver effectively. He'd owned this piece for about 10+ years (at the time) but had never even let off a single shot! So, took him & his two teenaged boys to the range and after one shot each (for all three of them) they handed me the revolver saying - "why don't you go ahead?" And I was like - "But I thought the whole idea was to get you guys to a basic level of proficiency?".

"No, No" I was told, "now we know how to shoot - if you want you go ahead and shoot some..."

Anyway, Dad finally got him a chauffeur from our village who carried the gun on his behalf and sort of acted as a driver cum bodyguard. I wasn't worried about the fact that they thought that the imported .32 wadcutters that the dealer had sold them were the next best thing to sliced bread, I wasn't even that worried about the fact that they would rather have a bodyguard carry in stead of doing it themselves - what really worried me was that these people thought that letting off one shot was enough to call oneself an (if not accomplished) a capable shot!!!

In all fairness (to myself) I did try and politely stress the need for more practice - to no avail... And I'm quite certain that they are not an isolated case, plenty of such examples abound all over India - how else do you think you can get a 20+ year old NIB piece?

Cheers!
Abhijeet

[nagarifle]

Hi Abhiji

what you are saying is quite common outlook, for those who can offered it, to have a bodyguard.


what basicly happened is that your dads friends "delegated the responsibility of their self defence to the driver"

in some cases the firearm is just a status symbol and they have no interest in shooting it or using it for any other purpose. shame really

[Risala]

I feel that dealers would also benefit from the import of firearms being allowed again.Instead of making a huge profit from sale of one or two firearms,they would be able to make the same sort of profit from increased sales.The incentive for hanky panky would also disappear.

IOFB will then be able to concentrate on making arms for the armed forces

penpusher my guess is that even if imports are opened (which is unlikely) the prices of those arms will be atleast 2 to 3 x of the IOF ones,and at those prices there is a very small market,the dealer would rather sell one or two a month these days and make a massive profit.This afternoon Dev & I saw a 12 shot Browning BDM for sale,NIB imported by a Sr Govt officer on TR in 2005 on sale for 16.5 Lakhs. It wont stick around for too long,will find it's way in the hand of some politician or businessman.

[mundaire]

penpusher my guess is that even if imports are opened (which is unlikely) the prices of those arms will be atleast 2 to 3 x of the IOF ones,and at those prices there is a very small market,the dealer would rather sell one or two a month these days and make a massive profit.This afternoon Dev & I saw a 12 shot Browning BDM for sale,NIB imported by a Sr Govt officer on TR in 2005 on sale for 16.5 Lakhs. It wont stick around for too long,will find it's way in the hand of some politician or businessman.

Sanjay - I could be mistaken, but AFAIK the Browning BDM was chambered for the 9mm parabellum cartridge which is of course a PB calibre... came with a 15 shot magazine in that format, unless it was bought in USA during the high cap magazine ban, in which case it would be limited to a 10 round mag. What calibre was this one?

Cheers!
Abhijeet

[Risala]

.32 ACP,can you imagine a $ 1 K hand gun going for $ 40 K,the dealer probably paid around $ 20 to 25 K tops.
The Beretta I have was going for around 4.5 L,and mine came for INR 200/- the same in .380 was for 4.75 L,the condition was very good.
With such profit margins the anti imports lobby is having a blast,dont think they will lift the ban,cos of the vested intrests.

[mundaire]

.32 ACP,can you imagine a $ 1 K hand gun going for $ 40 K,the dealer probably paid around $ 20 to 25 K tops.
The Beretta I have was going for around 4.5 L,and mine came for INR 200/- the same in .380 was for 4.75 L,the condition was very good.
With such profit margins the anti imports lobby is having a blast,dont think they will lift the ban,cos of the vested intrests.

What can I say - except for on hearing about people pay such ridiculous prices!!! Honestly, and I think we've discussed this before, I'd much rather plonk down money for a (relatively) cheap Indian make and spend the rest of my money on making sure it works perfectly + on ammo to make sure I can put it to good use when needed!

Paying 12 or 16 lacs for a handgun and storing it in a safety deposit box is hardly my idea of effective self defence

Cheers!
Abhijeet

[james]

http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/browse/FPB.HTM

Checkout the above website , details of Browning BDA of 7.65 mm ACP cartridge and takes a 13-round magazine is there. Just for information. James...

[penpusher]

Owned a Browning BDA many years back.Won't even say what price I sold it for.An IOF .32 pistol is pretty reliable once you have tweaked it.

I bought one after selling my Astra .32.It has worked well so far.Had one stove pipe.Polished the feeding ramp with 2000 grit sand paper wrapped around a round pencil .Took some time doing it with such fine sandpaper but at least there was no danger of me doing any damage.Has worked well since.Sights are non existent,but considering the role it is designed for,sights are not really required.That is that all that I am going to do with it.My pistol is going to arrive from the factory in Dec or Jan.That will receive some serious TLC.

[art_collector]

Owning a firearms and using one at the right time are two different things.One can pay any fancy price but if you dont know who to use it whats the use of owning one.So a 12.5 lac pistol( and not knowing how to use it) is actually a piece of junk .

I remember that during riots in 1984 some one called my dad at 12 in the night and asked him that they have these four barrels and three gun stocks lying in the house how to join them and use them if there is a need to do so.Dad managed to explain them how to put the guns together.I told them please pray at the moment forget that you would be able to use them that night The firearms the family owned were

577 DBBL Rifle by Woodward & Sons
577 DBBL Rifle by Alex Henry
12 DBBL Gun by James Purdey with a spare barrel

The rifles did not save them but I think their prayers saved them that night.

They sold the two rifles and purchased two revolvers instead.They went for practice almost every week end and continued that habit for a number of years....I still meet the man occasionally who called that night and he still remembers my telling him "Rab nu yaad karoo kuch nahin hogga"

[penpusher]

There is an ex-army officer,was a (Colonel in the army before he retired) who bought an IOF .32.He has no idea what the magazine capacity is ,how to take it apart to clean it.In fact he has not even bought a single cartridge for it till now.