Have you ever applied for an Arms License?

YouTube · Post by **mundaire** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:04 pm

eljefe";p="36171 wrote:UP asks for caste certificate-any reservation quota here too?

Didn't not know that... should not be... there is no legal basis for it anyhow - though under the new dispensation in UP anything is possible

Cheers!
Abhijeet

snIPer · Post by **snIPer** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:42 pm

That is why it is called Ulta Pradesh

amk · Post by **amk** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:20 pm

A friend of mine got turned down in Mumbai for not enough need/reason. His job profile poses some risk but he didn't have proper tax papers too.

AMK

Pran · Post by **Pran** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:08 pm

I'm sharing my experience of having applied for an arms license and it being rejected for no reason at all

I had applied for an arms license for a SBBL breach loading rifle on October 15, 2007 at the Police Commissioner's office in Bangalore. I'd stated the purpose as target practice and had enclosed copies of my club id card, medical certificate, residence and age proof. About ten days later, my application was sent to the local police station where I convinced the circle inspector(this chap was a PhD

) that the rifle was intended to be used at the club's range for target practice. A writer was sent to inspect my house and take statements from two of my neighbours. I was asked to meet the ACP(East), who on being satisfied with my stated purpose passed my application to the DCP(East). With no further communication from the licensing authorities, I went to the commissioner's office on Jan 16 -as mentioned on the acknowledgment(issued on submitting the application). The clerk at the Commissioner's office told me that my application and the report(prepared by the local police station) hadn't arrived and that I had to check with the ACP for the same. On meeting the ACP and checking through the records in his office I realised that my application/report was sent to the DCP's office on 7th December. I went on to meet the clerk who handles arms license applications in the DCP's office(on Jan16)-- and this lethargic bandicoot assured me that he'd send my report to the Commissioner's in the same week. A week later- i.e. today, on realising that my report wasn't sent from the DCP's office, I met the DCP in person. This chap's a IPS officer from UP and didn't look up to see me during our conversation that lasted for about two minutes and said me he'd rejected my application. On being asked the reason he told me to check my report after it was sent to the Commissioner's.

I'd like to know if I'm legally entitled to know the reason behind the rejection and what should be my next course of action.

btw, I don't have any criminal cases whatsoever against me.

Pran

hellfire_m16 · Post by **hellfire_m16** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:37 pm

Hi Praveen,
Sad to learn that your Arms License Application has been rejected.
You are legally entitled to know the reason as to why your license application has been rejected........but again In our country we are legally entitled to a lot of things only In theory.
Regards,
Vinayaka

Pran · Post by **Pran** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:48 pm

>but again In our country we are legally entitled to a lot of things only In theory

Yes. Sad state of affairs.

Thanks mate

Pran

hellfire_m16 · Post by **hellfire_m16** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:54 pm

Praveen,
Just try meeting that Inspector with a Phd.....u might be able to get some info off him.
Best
V

YouTube · Post by **mundaire** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:45 am

File an application under the Right to Information Act 2005 (consult a lawyer if you need more dope on how to), asking for the reasons for denial along with ALL file notings on your arms license application. You WILL NOT (in 90% of cases) get any response, so on elapse of the 30 day (IIRC) period within which you are supposed to get a proper response; file an appeal to the next appellate authority. Once you have the details, which you will 100% (eventually get through this route) you can consider filing a case in the courts.

The RTI Act 2005 is a lot more powerful than most people imagine... and is truly the bete noire of corrupt officials! Fight fire with fire...

That's my honest opinion...

Cheers!
Abhijeet

Post by **Mack The Knife** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:05 am

Pran,

Good advice from Abhijeet but before you go the RTI route check the report when it arrives at the Commissioner's office. If you are not permitted to photocopy it, write it down.

Are you on friendly terms with your neighbours?

Pran · Post by **Pran** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:57 am

Abhijeet, looks like RTI act may be only way to find out why my application was rejected. I'll consult a lawyer to find out how to go about.

>Are you on friendly terms with your neighbours?

Yes. Why do you ask?

Mack The Knife, will I get a notification telling me that my application was rejected?

Thanks guys.

Pran

Post by **Mack The Knife** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:25 am

If one or both neighbours the writer spoke to had anything negative to say about you, then that may be the reason your application was rejected. I think your age and the fact that you do not have any competition certificates to back your application resulted in this refusal.

As far as I know but I could be wrong, if there is no word from the concerned authority within three months from the date of application, you can then assume that the licence has been granted. If this is the case, then it is in the interest of the concerned authority to notify you that your application has been rejected. So one could safely assume that you will get such a notification. However, this is all theory. In practice they may just shelve your file and forget about it.

Try and get a photocopy of the reasons for your refusal because if you try again after a few years, you will need to mention whether your application was refused earlier and if so, why. In which case you add this photocopy if and when you resubmit your application at a later date.

Pran · Post by **Pran** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:40 am

Nopes, the neighbours didn't say anything negative about me. Moreover the writer did not go to my neighbour's for their statement, I did.

>In practice they may just shelve your file and forget about it.

That's what may happen now.

>Try and get a photocopy of the reasons for your refusal because if you try again after a few years, you will need to mention whether your application was refused earlier and if so, why.

Will do.

Pran

Post by **Mack The Knife** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:19 am

Nopes, the neighbours didn't say anything negative about me. Moreover the writer did not go to my neighbour's for their statement, I did.

"A writer was sent to inspect my house and take statements from two of my neighbours."

snIPer · Post by **snIPer** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:30 pm

Mack The Knife Bana";p="36360 wrote: if you try again after a few years.

what is the minimum time period one can apply after it has been rejected once

More than anything i guess it would have to be the age factor.

shutzen · Post by **shutzen** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:03 pm

HI! As soon as I get my certificate for the 51st NSCC I will be applying for the remaining max level I am eligible for - 2 more .22 rifles to complete my quota of 10. So I guess I am also currently in the "process" however my journey till here has not been easy and I had to fight the babus tooth and nail for my rights.

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