Sneak Preview - National Compressed Air Rifle/Pistol

[Sakobav]

shutzen

Why be judgemental on folks you know least about or their circumstances?
The Golibaz is an engineer not the owner, he knows his stuff and is there in the trenches. Issue is different if you have ever worked in manufacturing environment its a typical conflict between designers or engineers vs owners finance bean counters - balancing profit vs best design.

Unless of course the clients / shooters write a letter to IHP advising that there is a market for better designed products which might assist designers push their better products.

Anybody up for writting a note to IHP, I can assist miss Mehul baba for such drives

Adios

[Mack The Knife]

HI! IHP/ The "DOC" "Golibaaz " is giving excuses - mithi golis that he has to work with 3-4 decades old MC's - what a load of bull.

Dr. Shirsat does not make airguns for IHP and neither does he supervise what IHP churn out. This has been explained to you but you still persist in blaming someone for something he has no control over.

Whilst modern machinery is available, I don't see how it is Shirsat's fault if IHP does not buy these machines or neglects to pay attention to quality control.

You are barking up the wrong tree.

[penpusher]

The fact that there is some one who has the ability to design something like this is what should concern us.Now if only Dr.Shrisat was living in my part of the woods

[nagarifle]

hi
why not get the Dr. Shrisat on our side and try to influence the air rifle industries. after all if we can not influence others for better then whats the point in complaining?

we in the forum know enough, to start something new in this area.

Knowledge without application is only information

any reason why we can not find a maker who is willing to listen to what the shooters want?

fodder for thought
nagarifle

[dev]

The fact that there is some one who has the ability to design something like this is what should concern us.Now if only Dr.Shrisat was living in my part of the woods

I really wish that was so penpusher, I know we would have a decent air rifle pretty soon. Does Rusty or Biking have his number or email? Then maybe if you guys got talking....and Eureka we all get nice thunder sticks.

Regards,

Dev

[Mack The Knife]

Dev,

I do have his contact details but am not at liberty to give them out.

Dr. Shirsat has been on the forum for sometime now but he isn't much of a netizen. http://www.indiansforguns.com/viewtopic ... c&&start=0

He is well in tune with the Indian and international airgun scene but unless IHP or some other company gets serious about producing good airguns in India, there is nothing more he can do about it.

Mack The Knife

[nagarifle]

thunder sticks, by gums, thats what i like to hear, i am with u on this one.
nagarifle

[TenX]

This is what Rustum had mentioned in an earlier thread: "Knowing doc, he will probably read this thread again after the next blue moon.", which is just about damn right.

Edit: Anand, you are not to give his e-mail address to anyone. Mack The Knife.

And trust me, he is too open to 'listen' and not just hear about any feedback or info that one may let him know.

[nagarifle]

has the doc thought of freelancing? i wonder, could someone who knows him find out?

or haveing a medical workshop for air rifles?

nagarifle

[fantumfan2003]

Schutzen,

I am really very sorry for what happened to you and your son at the competition, believe me, I really am.

I've had only one interaction with Dr. Shirsat, I too think, its probably IHP to blame and not the doc.

Very likely IHP does not see air weapons as a big business oppurtunity. Not big enough to jump headlong into the waters.

M

Shutzen,

Dr. Shirsat designs the airguns. IHP manufactures them. He also bases his designs keeping in mind the limitations that IHP must be imposing on him - cost and ease of manufacturing.

I know Shirsat personally and have seen the airguns he has made for his own personal use with his own hands and these are a far cry from what IHP produce.

So if you must berate someone, berate the manufacturer.

Mack The Knife

[TenX]

Facts to support the fact that IFP may not want to really grow or support Air Shooting is that I have visited the IHP facility twice; once in 2002 and once in 2007, and have noted relatively no improvement. Everything is still based on the decades-old machinery that they have. Not that modern machinery is absolutely needed, but the entire package and essense of machine process et al , is a sad tale. Moreover they have even sold off some of the huge land they had. And every proposal is met with hard resistance making improvement and new tales unheard.

[vadapalliraja]

Hi..........All

I am very impressed with this Compressed Rifle

When can we except this rifle in market and what could be the price

In delhi where can we get this Rifle


Thanks
Raja

[fantumfan2003]

Yes count me in for writing to IHP

M

shutzen

Why be judgemental on folks you know least about or their circumstances?
The Golibaz is an engineer not the owner, he knows his stuff and is there in the trenches. Issue is different if you have ever worked in manufacturing environment its a typical conflict between designers or engineers vs owners finance bean counters - balancing profit vs best design.

Unless of course the clients / shooters write a letter to IHP advising that there is a market for better designed products which might assist designers push their better products.

Anybody up for writting a note to IHP, I can assist miss Mehul baba for such drives

Adios

[fantumfan2003]

Its still some months away....

Hi..........All

I am very impressed with this Compressed Rifle

When can we except this rifle in market and what could be the price

In delhi where can we get this Rifle


Thanks
Raja

[karizman]

I agree with your & Stutzen's views. The things can be changed but unfortunately legal problems regarding manufacturing of an airgun are to be blamed equally. I have designed & modified / customised few airguns for myself & some of my friends in the past & have been looking out for correct licences, permits from various government agencies to start a commercial manufacturing unit since last 3-4 years but I have never got clear answer from any department. Exisisting manufacturer & dealers also are not ready to part with clear cut info. If anyone from this forum helps me get accurate info then I promice to deliver a true inernational class airgun in sporting & target category within few days.

I can make such a bold statement because I have more than 25 3dimentional designs of springers & PCPs & CO2s ready on hand as on today & 6 of them already made & tried by myself. But I am unable to show off my work just because of confusion over law pertaining to manufacturing airguns.

I hope someone comes forward with clear cut info so that many people like me can come forward with bright ideas & help change airgun scenerio in India.

In India there are no proper teaching facilities for gunsmiths.There are no 'trained' gunsmiths in India.Designing of firearms/air arms is something that nobody has any experience of or the ability to do it.Even the IOFB resorted to copying other rifles when it came to designing the 5.56 rifle for the Indian Army.

What is preventing the IHP from getting an air rifle designed from an expert from abroad or from buying the designs for one?As far as machinery for the manufacture of air rifles is concerned,most are machines used in precision manufacture and so can be easily bought.Many,I am sure are being produced in India now.

IHP is like the typical family run Indian companies, more concerned about churning out stuff at the cheapest price possible as long as it sells.Consider this,if the IHP air rifle,which is considered to be the best Indian made air rifles,is so lousy how bad the others would be.

Also old machinery does not mean that good stuff can't be built with them.Most of the old Pratt & Whitney rifling machines are still being used to make quality rifle barrel.However this applies only if the machines were 'quality' machines to begin with.Considering IHP,I don't think that this is the case.

The limited number of guns that they are allowed to produce, are also cited as an excuse by Indian gun manufacturers as being a chief reason in their inability to modernize their manufacturing facilities.However,limited no's do not prevent many manufacturers from churning out decent stuff in other countries.In Spain too they have these sort of govt. mandated limits,but still they are able to make decent stuff.The Indian gun manufacturers seem to think that all that they need to do is to install some machines and they will automatically start producing 'quality' stuff.However this is not applicable here.

It is the mindset of the Indian manufacturers that has to change.