Is it worth to spend 4 Lakhs on Kiehberg 1911 SC or Go for More Pistols which have all imported parts?

[maniksachdeva]

Definitely Kiehberg 1911 Sub Compact (Girsan 1911 SC) is the best weapon if you want to opt for quality and reliability. Girsan has been exporting to USA and 55 other countries moreover Turkish and Malaysian forces also use Girsan hence the quality should have no doubts. Girsan has also won Handgun of the year award in Shot Show Las Vegas in 2024.

If you want a good quality weapon your only option is imported .45 which goes upto 15 lakhs as compared to that a brand new Kiehberg 1911 comes in a reasonable pricing and they are guaranteeing 10,000 accurate shots which no other Indian weapon is promising.

Other features include a very light weight of 710 gms without magazine, Negrini leather case, 25% overload cartridges used for functional testing again which no one in India is currently doing.

[Grok47]

We all are here to take suggestions and believe that someone has some experience with the asked weapon. Yes suggestions matters when you dont have option to use and try weapons in Range.

I was ready to buy but experts suggested that Kieghberg is unnecessary costlier than other products. We learn from each other. Dont be that rude

I suggest that, when you are assigning values to attributes of guns, you should consider what it is worth to you to know that you can rely on the EDC gun you get. How much will you wonder, if you think that the gun has issues? If you are sure about these impressions, then the feeling is stronger.

On the other hand, if you have confidence in what you carry, and even more, if you know that confidence is justified, then what is that worth to you?

I would also ask, are you seeking and do you value other people's opinions in what you are carrying, in that when others know you carry a XXX, their opinion has value?

The point of what I am saying is that how you feel about something you are carrying does have value. Money is also an attribute, but unless you want the satisfaction of having gotten the best deal, as opposed to the best gun, there are other issues to consider, such as confidence.

Get what you want, after you have studied what it is you are going after.

[timmy]

I need a reliable and practical weapon for daily carry. It must not have any issues. Based on local manufacturers, I’ve already seen a faulty Webley, a cracked barrel on an MSD, and a jammed Gretta. These companies survive mainly because Indians don’t use weapons much or rather, we don’t have that option.

A cracked barrel, especially with factory ammunition, represents a serious flaw in manufacturing. How would this affect the choice of which gun to purchase? Consider this post about a "RH", or Ruger Red Hawk 44 Magnum revolver:

https://thefiringline.com/forums/showpo ... stcount=15

Ruger is generally very highly respected as a gun manufacturer, not only for the quality of the guns they make, but also for them being "overbuilt," or able to withstand stresses far in excess of what they are sold to handle. I know, as I have overloaded my 45 Colt Blackhawk to some fairly extreme overloads to equal ballistics of the 44 Magnum.

However, even while this user of the Red Hawk was also reloading and not using factory ammunition, the fact that Ruger replaced the barrel on his revolver with no questions asked or no explanation given, in light of Ruger's guarantee policy which voids the guarantee if reloads are used, says that they recognized the failure of the gun was their manufacturing fault.

None of us want to buy junk, especially when we are holding it in our hand and shooting it.

We know that any machine can fail, and that manufacturing flaws do creep into pretty much any production line. Yet, we are all sensitive to a manufacturer's product failing and affecting that manufacturer's reputation. If we say, "yes, but is it a one time occurrence, or is there a record of repeated failures?" the question then arises: how many failures in a how many guns made is too much, and how many failures are acceptable?

So, with regard to the manufacturer in question, I note that it happens to Ruger firearms, too.

What this means for an individual making a purchase is a question each potential purchaser must answer for himself.

Would I buy an MSD? I already own a Colt-made 1911 and a number of other Colt revolvers, and it is no secret here that I very much like and prefer a Colt. (Not necessarily what they now call a Colt and is made in the Czech Republic. That may be OK, but it still isn't a Colt in my mind.)

What if I didn't own a 1911? I've never held or examined or shot an MSD, but lot of this manufacturing stuff cannot be seen by holding and and shooting the gun a few times. For myself, I would wait to see what the record of others who've bought an MSD encountered. I would remember that most shooters in India have an annual ammunition allowance that is less than what people in other countries shoot in a single day's shooting session -- how much of a trial is it when someone shoots the gun 10 or 20 times? What does it tell you about the reliability of a new car when someone drives it to work 10 or 20 times?

Undoubtedly, this sort of thing could possibly happen to any make of gun, but it did happen here.

Personally, from what I've heard and read, I probably could be convinced to buy a MSD, but I would still also examine other makes. That would be my choice, and it very well might or might not be anyone else's. The person who slaps down the money and shoots the thing afterwards is the only one who is truly making the choice.