New .32 Pistol Launched by SHEIKH ARMS

[dsingh]

I did not notice jam but if it is there then same problem . New IOF Pistol both mark 2 and RFI modified Pistol product have no jamming problem and is also cheaper .Similiarly new IOF revolver Nishank is very smooth and bullet crosses 50 meter mark no jamming at all if one goes by merit despite shortcoming these r better and cheaper. Glock India proposes 40 calibre and 380 calibre pistols where r cartridges with Indian companies these r infact clones of dumped models. Webley India products r in 32 category but r priced at very high rates.

[Biren]

factory visit and shooting review on youtube.

Its a poorly made video which left many questions rather answers.

Rgds
Biren

[Gowrishankar]

Now tell me the best Iof or this sheik arms pistol .or do I have a choice. any user in sheik arms pistols

[eljefe]

factory visit and shooting review on youtube.

Its a poorly made video which left many questions rather answers.

Rgds
Biren

Handsome looking pistol.
The blogger has absolutely no idea what to test in a handgun, and more importantly, he doesn’t know or care for universal tenets of gun safety. All guns are loaded until you check and prove them otherwise.
He has a handgun with a mag inserted, slide racked forward and people walking in front. At one stage he passes his hand in front of the muzzle.
Sheikh Arms could easily put up an earthen bund and use it as Target backstop. That Wall is no surface to test expansion, penetration or accuracy.
Ideal test would have been off a Ransom Rest at 10 & 25 m.

What questions can you ask him , Biren ?

[eljefe]

Vineet ji you are right . 2-3 times there was a jam in full video .
If you get one in hand please post about it so that members can decide whether to buy or not .

Most times those jams are directly attributable to the ammo quality. However , the extraction/ejection will need to be checked with 4-5 types of ammo to confirm whether it’s the ammo or the gun fault.

Sheikh Arms should not allow blokes like that to ‘test fire’ and review their product.

[mundaire]

You're right eljefe, some places the video was truly cringeworthy in terms of gun safety!

The problem with testing with non IOF 32 ACP ammo would be the cost, last I heard imported 32 ACP rounds were selling for 400 to 600 rupees a piece!

[pistolero]

I dont know whether to laugh or to cry. So we have a visit to a supposed factory, where not a single piece of manufacturing equipment was shown. Not even raw material or semi finished product. A banner was stuck on the wall, showing the name of the factory.

Sheikh Arms should advise, the origin of their Drills and how do they make the frames & slides for their pistols, so that prospective buyers know what are they getting into. '

The reviewer is very enthu, and I respect his enthusiasm, he obviously has had no formal training in handling firearms, and these kind of lopsided reviews are to be expected in the future as well where "experts" will review firearms. Given the relatively nascent nature of the industry, and the inexperience of the reviewers, it has to be forgiven. It is the onus of the manufacturer to ensure basic safety & handling training is provided, as most reviewers will be novices at best.

At the prices that Raptor is being sold at, I sure he can cough up the price of imported Ammo. The outdoor range, the lesser said the better.

The reviewer put in a lot of miles just to shoot a few rounds, just goes to show you, how much pent up demand is there.

The actual review leaves me with a lot of new questions. Would have loved to see some proof marks on those barrels.

-P

[timmy]

Agreed -- a 200 or 500 round test would be useful.

One question that needs answering is the heat treatment: Otherwise, the pistol isn't going to stand up well to very much firing.

[pistolero]

Agreed -- a 200 or 500 round test would be useful.

One question that needs answering is the heat treatment: Otherwise, the pistol isn't going to stand up well to very much firing.

I agree Heat Treat and Stress Relief of the components is very important, but we have not seen any details of ANY manufacturing equipment, nor have I seen any info on their process, so their quality is very subjective. The reviewer is excited because it looks good, but what is the steel, the equipment, the process... well we dont know..but it looks good..better than IOF, hence and therefore it must be cutting edge

[eljefe]

I dont know whether to laugh or to cry. So we have a visit to a supposed factory, where not a single piece of manufacturing equipment was shown. Not even raw material or semi finished product. A banner was stuck on the wall, showing the name of the factory.

Sheikh Arms should advise, the origin of their Drills and how do they make the frames & slides for their pistols, so that prospective buyers know what are they getting into. '

The reviewer is very enthu, and I respect his enthusiasm, he obviously has had no formal training in handling firearms, and these kind of lopsided reviews are to be expected in the future as well where "experts" will review firearms. Given the relatively nascent nature of the industry, and the inexperience of the reviewers, it has to be forgiven. It is the onus of the manufacturer to ensure basic safety & handling training is provided, as most reviewers will be novices at best.

At the prices that Raptor is being sold at, I sure he can cough up the price of imported Ammo. The outdoor range, the lesser said the better.

The reviewer put in a lot of miles just to shoot a few rounds, just goes to show you, how much pent up demand is there.

The actual review leaves me with a lot of new questions. Would have loved to see some proof marks on those barrels.

-P

And I was only giving a ‘ first look ‘ opinion of the vid as posted on YouTube...

Enthusiasm aside, if he wangled his way in to do a review and give the firm publicity, and share it on a public platform, it is vicarious responsibility to show some elements of
A. SAFE gun handling
B. Technical aspects of the manufacturing process.

Going by the comments on his blog, he has many ‘wah ‘wah’ from the viewers. And I fully agree, for a gun starved populace,subjected to the bedpan mechanic quality of the IOF products for decades it is manna from heaven!
And I fear, you’re right. In the future , many such ‘experts’ will flock to the new handgun manufacturers to review their products.
Let’s hope we’re not subject to Future 42M cinderblock wall penetration and effective range tests.
I wonder if this chap will be allowed to ‘review ‘ a Glock ?

[pistolero]

Eljefe,

I did not see his channel, I did however visit it now and what a revelation! I had no idea, India had so many You Tube Gun Expert's

[rahulbdelhi]

In the video I noticed a couple of issues with the gun:
1. The guy struggles to engage the thumb safety and it doesn't bulge. He gives up.
2. The trigger seems too tight. The guy almost uses his first finger-joint to pull the trigger. 1911 triggers are supposed to be super smooth.

[rajitkg12]

"WAR AX" SHEIKH ARMS & AMMUNITION HIMACHAL PRADESH

[timmy]

The pistol in this video looks to be nicely finished and is of a nice size. Whether feeding and reliability of heat treated parts is acceptable are something only time and the requirements of individual users can tell.

The fellow in the jacket and blue vest should keep his finger off of the trigger when he's not shooting.

Most of these people have no eye or hearing protection, which is bad. Complaining about no eye protection may sound nitpicking, but I have had several cases open up on me and have had hot powder burning into my cheek. I would be a pirate (with a patch over where my eye had been), had I not been wearing glasses. I ALWAYS wear shooting glasses, even though I don't have a prescription in them (yet), because it is the smart thing to do. But, everyone has to do what they think is right for themselves. Same for hearing protection.

The gun looks nice, as I said, and having a large capacity magazine for self-defense and every day carry seems to be more and more a wise thing to consider as time goes on.

I do hope that the safety on this pistol is a true 1911 safety that blocks the hammer. Whether there is a firing pin block to make the pistol absolutely drop-safe is not stated and would be interesting to know. It would be necessary in my opinion. If the gun falls out and shoots the one carrying the gun, that is his problem, but if it goes off it could shoot anyone in the vicinity, and that would be my problem.

As a matter of taste for a carry pistol, I do not like "beavertails" that look like something overgrown from a boar's mouth, as it is just one more thing to hang up on clothing at an inconvenient time. (Beavertails supposedly protect one's web between thumb and finger from being pinched, but I've never had that problem. Someone else's experience may be different. Whatever the reason, it's still something to hang up on clothing.) For this reason, I like a striker fired pistol or revolver with internal hammer, or at least with the hammer spur bobbed, so as not to hang up on clothes or whatever at a bad time. I also worry about getting the gun out quickly when I'm in the car wearing a seatbelt. This is something more of a concern when one is in a big city driving and folks gather around the car for mischief, when there may be more than one of them and the possibility of their bodies and brains being supercharged with some kind of drug exists.

The hearing and eye protection points I make are musts.

The safety is something that is, at the least, vital to know.

The rest concerns how one intends to use the pistol, and something I present for consideration.

The blubber in the video about the ballistics -- who cares? Just about everything else available will have similar characteristics, so there's no big news there.