Looking to buy Precihole in Mumbai

[Eldroidism]

Hi all,

I'm looking to buy a Precihole NX100 in Mumbai. I spoke to a few arms dealers including Tahir Arms dealers in Town, and they say they are out of stock. It's been roughly a month now and they still don't have stock. Can anyone recommend a shop with good pricing? I live in Andheri West, the closer, the better.

A few other questions as this will be my first AR...
1, Which pellets would do well for long range plinking?
2. I would want to go for the full black model, but others on this forum have told me to consider the rust free (Chrome coated) NX100. How badly does the normal model rust?
3. What regular maintenance must be carried out on an AR?
4. Can the 11mm rail on the NX100 be changed to a 20mm rail? if so, how much would it cost?

Thanks in advance guys.

[sam 47]

To answer your questions
1). Try precipell field target domes in 8.7 gr for long range. Depending on the power it produces, these may do good. If you choose foreign pellets there are hordes of choices.
2). I have the full black model. The only place it has rust is at the front end of the barrel which I used to grab for cocking the gun and a little corner on the back and a spot on the cocking link. I live in a high humidity part of Kolkata and this area is famous for waterlogging, yet there is not much rust related issues.
3). You will have to wipe down the entire gun with a piece of oiled cloth after every use. I use singer machine oil, but if you use ballistol gun oil your gun will remain like new for years. This step is essential to prevent rusting. Additionally, you can also check the stock screws if they are loose.
4) I don't think so. You are better off using 11 mm mounts.
You are a very lucky man to have a scope even before you got a rifle!! You can try online dealers for the gun like kovibazaar, 10 kya and huligun.
Finally how far do you plan to shoot?

[Eldroidism]

Thank you Sam for your reply. I would prefer to buy the gun from a shop rather than online, but I'll keep that as a last option.

How far do I plan to shoot?

It's for plinking around on my farmhouse and as I mentioned in another post, it's a good 200 meters long. So as far as the gun shoots

I ordered the scope in advance as I knew it would take time to arrive from aliexpress, but it came faster than expected.

You can read about that post somewhere in this thread: https://www.indiansforguns.com/viewtopi ... 2&start=15

I felt for Rs. 1600 this scope is a real steal! Do give me your thoughts on the same.

[sam 47]

I also prefer to buy guns over the counter as I can see and test what I am getting.
As for the scope I too feel that it is a steal for the given price, provided it holds its zero. Once you get the gun, please tell me how the scope performs after about say 500 shots. I am thinking that I will order one in mid February so that it reaches me by my birthday on March.
For shooting, 50 metres is pushing the limits for an air rifle of this power range for repeatable and consistent performances.
However, on holidays you can shoot all the way out to 200 metres and using 6-8 feet holdover and make youtube videos about it. But finding a right pellet for the gun to shoot accurately upto 50 m consistently is going to be a difficult task, unless of course you buy imported pellets.
here is a video of a 200 m air rifle shot being made. The hold over is around 8-10 feet, but its an achievement once you hit the target at that distance.

[Eldroidism]

What a coincidence, my birthday is on 10th of March! Anyway, yeah I'd like a rifle that can shoot really far. Perhaps I haven't thought this through. Was also hoping for an airgun that could hold rounds (magazine types) but I guess that's asking for too much. What's your take on the Hurricane 15 mod? Any inputs here would be nice. BTW, the scope has screws in the mount that fit the railing, meaning, it would not shift back or forward when fired (though I don't think that's what you're asking me). Seems pretty damn sturdy as of now, no loose parts and the body is mad of aluminum.

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[sam 47]

Air guns with magazines are PCPs, and will cost no less than Rs 50-60 k gun alone, along with Rs 10 k worth of filling equipment and accessories.
Yet they are no more accurate than the springers, they are just a lot easier to shoot accurately. You can buy PCPs that are accurate from 100 yards or magnum spingers accurate to 70 yards but that is a little grey area for me. They produce muzzle energy greater than even permitted by the deal wood test of the arms act 1959.
As for the hurricane, there are a few members who swear by it, but I am not among them, I prefer my Artemis way over that. It produces muzzle energy comparable to the hurricane and shoots at long ranges accurately. Is the hurricane being sold at your local gun store? I was under the impression that hurricane was being manufactured only in .22, and the Arms act 2016 bans the .22, but it appears to me to have lapsed.Again that's another grey area.

And lastly,, don't get hung over long range shooting. The whole point of air gunning is that it is more accurate than firearms at close ranges, negligible recoil and low maintenance & ammo cost than firearms. Air rifle pellets are designed to loose energy as fast as possible so that they do not travel to long distances, yet are phenomenally accurate at close ranges. The precihole rifles, whether Pegasus or Polaris, is a very fine choice for a beginner. when you get it first start shooting at 20-25 m, and increase the range gradually. As you will see for yourself, after the distance of 50-60m, the pellet falls like a brick, and you will have to raise the muzzle at angles to make contact with your target , which at that distance becomes more a matter of luck than your skill.

[nitroex700]

What a coincidence, my birthday is on 10th of March! Anyway, yeah I'd like a rifle that can shoot really far. Perhaps I haven't thought this through. Was also hoping for an airgun that could hold rounds (magazine types) but I guess that's asking for too much. What's your take on the Hurricane 15 mod? Any inputs here would be nice. BTW, the scope has screws in the mount that fit the railing, meaning, it would not shift back or forward when fired (though I don't think that's what you're asking me). Seems pretty damn sturdy as of now, no loose parts and the body is mad of aluminum.

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Hi! I purchase a Hurricane last year. Shot some 1800-2000 pellets through it so far. Its an excellent gun, iff you have all the tricks of airgun sniping trade figured out. It is NOT a beginner's air rifle, take my word on that! Managing its recoil for long range accuracy is challenging and if you've never fired a spring gun before, you might not enjoy firing it over long distances. At short ranges it does have some power to make short work of those plastic bottles and soap bars.

If you have shot airguns before, I would suggest trying out its long range accuracy potential. If not, I would suggest you to go with Precihole nitropiston, you can't go wrong with it. Hurricane has spring piston only thus far. RWS Superdomes perform great with it. Mastershot RH Exports too. It is also a heavy gun, heavier than Precihole definitely. Its barrel is also a tad too long (19"-20"), so aligning that front sight onto the target takes Patience. If you're the bang bang sort of person, you might find yourself trading off accuracy for speed.

As far as its sturdiness is concerned, I have been dragging it around through bushes, hills, ravines, sand, riversides and what not with no care till now and the gun seems to shoot perfectly fine. No barrel droop after 2000 shots. The barrel coating has been scratched at one or two places thanks to my rough handling, but no rusting so far either.

Having said all that, this gun is indeed capable of 2-6 MOA groups at virtually any range it can reach out to. But that will definitely require some skill on the shooter's part to accomplish. If you do buy it, make a point to take it to take it to a mistri and have him degrease it and relube it with very light coat of moly, before firing any shots. The gun comes with a secret oil canister hidden inside the compression chamber that will make it shoot like a firearm for well over 100 shots!

[sam 47]

What's your take on the Hurricane 15 mod? Any inputs here would be nice.

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Hey, Eldroidism, I checked out the video of the model 15 on you tube, the gun has a velocity spread of 304 fps.!!!! To give you an idea, the precihole rifles have a spread of 25-30 fps at the most , and my home tuned Artemis has a max spread of 15 fps. This shall give you an idea of the consistency of the rifle. And to increase the velocity, oil is being deliberately added to the compression chamber of hurricane promoting dieseling. The veteran members checked it out with chronograph after removing the oil, and it produced power just 11-12 fpe at the muzzle. It is accurate at close ranges but so is the precihole, my guess is precihole is more accurate. My advice is stay a mile and a half away from this rifle.
And lastly, when it comes to springers, never ever think that heavy recoil and vibrations and large cocking effort means higher power. I have first hand experience of this issue.
Here is a review done by experts prviously,, read and decide for yourself.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=23806&start=165#p236423

[Basu]

Precihole NX is much refined AR than SX.
You have to get acclamatised with its recoil , in order to shoot straight.
At 800 fps (claimed), the pellet will see hardly much drop in trajectory till 50 yds.
I would not push this gun to deliver beyond this point ever.
Before all it is not PCP.
Aarmr is a good gun with horrible stock and LOP.

Basu

[nitroex700]

Hey, Eldroidism, I checked out the video of the model 15 on you tube, the gun has a velocity spread of 304 fps.!!!! To give you an idea, the precihole rifles have a spread of 25-30 fps at the most , and my home tuned Artemis has a max spread of 15 fps. This shall give you an idea of the consistency of the rifle. And to increase the velocity, oil is being deliberately added to the compression chamber of hurricane promoting dieseling. The veteran members checked it out with chronograph after removing the oil, and it produced power just 11-12 fpe at the muzzle. It is accurate at close ranges but so is the precihole, my guess is precihole is more accurate. My advice is stay a mile and a half away from this rifle.
And lastly, when it comes to springers, never ever think that heavy recoil and vibrations and large cocking effort means higher power. I have first hand experience of this issue.
Here is a review done by experts prviously,, read and decide for yourself.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=23806&start=165#p236423

Well I don't have a crony to measure velocity spread but my gun consistently produces 12fpe (as measured by drop, zero distance, pellet BC and chairgun..). The least range I normally shoot it at is 50yds. At that range you can consistently hit a paper cup with it. I mostly shoot it between 80-100yds at which ranges I get 2-6 MOA groups in 2-10 kph wind conditions. If you want I'll make a video sometime and upload it FYI or if you like, come down to Allahabad, I would be happy to host a long range shoot with 1 or two more guys besides yourself.

That said, the gun isn't meant for beginners as far as I can see. I have shot the Orion too and I find Orion easier to shoot!

[sam 47]

At 50 m and open sights, I have shot crows in the head, offhand kneeling position. For that, I practice shooting at 1.5 inch targets , repeatedly. What's the size of the paper cup?
At hundred yards, 6 inch groups? I prefer .6 inch groups at 25 yards and will prefer a 1-2 inch group at 100 yards with a high powered AR or a rimfire. Accuracy is a subjective term, varies from person to person, but for me a 6'-8' spread is simply not accurate and there is no need for it , 100 yards is rimfire territory , leaving back a few uber high powerful PCPs .

Added in 12 minutes 12 seconds:
Almost forgot, what pellets are you using for 100 yard shooting and what is their weight ?

[Eldroidism]

Thanks for the replies guys. Good insight into air rifles thus far. I think I'm going to stick with the NX100 because
a. It's a reliable, stable and quality product.
b. I've already bought a scope and heavy recoil may not do it any good.
c. The Hurricane is not available in stores near me. I think the whole .22 cal restrictions have something to do with it.

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[nitroex700]

At 50 m and open sights, I have shot crows in the head, offhand kneeling position. For that, I practice shooting at 1.5 inch targets , repeatedly. What's the size of the paper cup?
At hundred yards, 6 inch groups? I prefer .6 inch groups at 25 yards and will prefer a 1-2 inch group at 100 yards with a high powered AR or a rimfire. Accuracy is a subjective term, varies from person to person, but for me a 6'-8' spread is simply not accurate and there is no need for it , 100 yards is rimfire territory , leaving back a few uber high powerful PCPs .

Added in 12 minutes 12 seconds:
Almost forgot, what pellets are you using for 100 yard shooting and what is their weight ?

16gr MS RH Exports, 14.6gr RWS Superdomes. 1.5" with an Indian airgun? Well I would be very happy to get my grouping that fine, but unfortunately that's about how far WIND lets me go with a 1 gram piece of lead flying at snail slow pace. It takes almost 0.8 seconds to fly that distance - the equivalent flight time of a 600-700yd shot with a medium/big bore rd! It would be nice to shoot long range with you sometime...

[ganeshn]

At 50 m and open sights, I have shot crows in the head, offhand kneeling position. For that, I practice shooting at 1.5 inch targets , repeatedly. What's the size of the paper cup?
At hundred yards, 6 inch groups? I prefer .6 inch groups at 25 yards and will prefer a 1-2 inch group at 100 yards with a high powered AR or a rimfire. Accuracy is a subjective term, varies from person to person, but for me a 6'-8' spread is simply not accurate and there is no need for it , 100 yards is rimfire territory , leaving back a few uber high powerful PCPs .

Added in 12 minutes 12 seconds:
Almost forgot, what pellets are you using for 100 yard shooting and what is their weight ?

that's amazing precision sam , can you make a video of the 50 meters looks like you have a secret recipe, what pellet are you using.

[sam 47]

Well I would be very happy to get my grouping that fine, but unfortunately that's about how far WIND lets me go with a 1 gram piece of lead flying at snail slow pace. It takes almost 0.8 seconds to fly that distance - the equivalent flight time of a 600-700yd shot with a medium/big bore rd! It would be nice to shoot long range with you sometime...

Exactly my point why I had changed from a .22 scorpius to a .177 Artemis. Some people are of the firm opinion that the .22 gets deflected less by wind , but the .22 takes far more time to fly out to the target & the wind gets more time to deflect the pellet. Added to that,, the pellet drops few inches every few yards of travel.Chaigun shows that the pellet drops 4 inches at 45 yards and 6 inches at 50 yards. It means that shooting at that distance, if you can't distinguish between just 5 yards,, you will not hit the mark. It doesn't matter anything if you are shooting at paper, you will get a good group somewhere in the paper, provided you don't change the aim point, but it is very difficult to hit something & hit it reliably.
At 100 yards with rws superdomes and 605 fps at the muzzle,, chairgun shows the pellet will drop 64 inches at 100 yards; that's more than 5 feet of holdover!!! Albeit you while shooting prone incline the muzzle upwards, but still coupled with wind and inherent pellet instability (they will tumble 1 or 2) at that distance and add to that a recoiling springer and open sights,, hitting anything smaller than 6 feet by 6 feet is impossible, once you connect with the board and don't change your aim point you may get a spread of 6"-8" anywhere in the board, but that is something which is not very appealing,, atleast to me. It is a more a matter of luck and favourable conditions rather than my skill, and as I said earlier if you are planning to hit something you dont know if the very next pellet is going to hit the target at all. Your mileage may vary.

that's amazing precision sam , can you make a video of the 50 meters looks like you have a secret recipe, what pellet are you using.

Thanks for the kind words Ganeshn. I use precipell field target domed pellets.They have made life easy. The recipe is practice and practice more. I shoot for 2 hours daily, from standing and kneeling positions at targets and try to hit them, not groups.When you have practiced hitting small targets very often and then move on to paper, you will see a group of your expectations, and most importantly, the pellets will group at your aim point and not just anywhere on paper. Heck, I even shoot at night with only a flashlight to enable vision but only out to 25 yards , because it is a different world at night. I hunt rats at night, so I practice to get used to the conditions and when I aim at a living target,I know I will put it down humanely. And anti-hunters say hunting is cruel...