AARMR Hurricane Model 15. First Impressions. Picture Heavy

[brihacharan]

@Pratik, I guess it will be unlikely that we will be seeing a trigger like that in a product priced Rs. 8000, in the real world atleast
Forget T06 and Rekord triggers, even getting it upto Precihole level should do it a lot of good.

Trigger is a precision job that requires critical machining of its moving parts with tolerances relating to '1 / 1000th' of an inch
Engagement & release at the pressure of a few grams is all that matters....
Precihole triggers by & large have achieved this....I speak out of my experience with them
But then every shooter has his / her own preference.....
Briha

[main13]

Sir weapons manufacturing is part design, part skill, part machinery, part materials.. So far only the design has been the problem as far as trigger is concerned, rest of the factors are in place at least as far as I know.
If the Pashtuns of Darra Adam Khel can build M4s & AUGs for 5000 Paki-bucks on their lathes, I suppose the Punjabis can at least build decent guns on imported CNCs!

AARMR has all the sophisticated machinery & materials needed but not the relevant airgun-building experience. If the IFGians decide to chip in with their inputs then perhaps that disadvantage can be eliminated sooner than later.

As of now I'm looking for detailed designs of airgun triggers, for both sporters & competition guns. If people can direct me to the right resources, I could perhaps do it faster.

[GNV]

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[main13]

Thanks a lot GNV Garu!

[kshitij]

When I earlier had a Diana, used to take it out almost every weekend for close to a year. Unfortunately had to let it go but I liked the T06 trigger so would love to see someone with all the "sophisticated machinery & materials needed" do a better job than the "Pashtuns of Darra Adam Khel" and put a T06 like trigger in an air rifle costing 8 grand.

Here are the assembly/layout of the T06

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Mecanismo gatillo Diana T06.jpg

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All of the above have been taken from the net so anyone with half a mind to implememt it should be able to easily locate these.

[main13]

Well Darra guns can also be had for free if you buy a truckload of heroin from them as 'deal-sweeteners', but guess that's off the table here now.. ain't it? Ever wondered how 'Afghan' copies of TT30 land up in northern India?!
The Filipinos, Thais & Chinese are also doing an excellent job of sustaining the northeast insurgency!

Back to the trigger.. A lot of very good guns sell for under 200$ in US & EU. If you factor in the purchasing powers of rupee & dollar combined with high labour & material costs there, you will be surprised to notice how the balance suddenly tilts in favour of the Punjabis of Amritsar compared to the Cowboys of Texas!

So if they can do it, we can do it too. The Chinese have done it already! In any case these guys managed to modify a firearm trigger into an airgun one.. & Remington 700 is one hell of an accurate gun!

My intention is to look at both sporter & competition shooters & see what best can be achieved. Also as Jaqen H'ghar once famously said, "A man must earn his living!"

[pratik_mahale]

All of the above have been taken from the net so anyone with half a mind to implememt it should be able to easily locate these.

I feel you need to buy those guns to study the trigger mechanism

[kshitij]

All of the above have been taken from the net so anyone with half a mind to implememt it should be able to easily locate these.

I feel you need to buy those guns to study the trigger mechanism

I just didnt want to say it out loud but if the manufacturer was serious about improving the trigger, they would simply get the model they want to replicate, open it up and refer to the internals rather than coming on the forum and ask how and which trigger to copy.
Besides none of the trigger assembly drawings shared here or anywhere on the net will give any dimensional details. And without the exact dimensions and profile drawings in cad or similar format these would be impossible to replicate.

I shared that to see what response it gets

Anyways hope the company has more resources than just some people trying to get info from a forum as it would be good to see them improve the product which in turn is only going to be good for the Indian consumer

[main13]

In any case its highly unlikely copying the exact dimensions would work in our case.. Since the dimensions of other parts differ significantly. What needs to be done is to study the advantages, disadvantages & behaviour of different triggers considered to be good then build one's own from the scratch.. at least that's what I like to do! To do that it may not be necessary to purchase a whole armoury for an airgun-shooting militia!

[kshitij]

What needs to be done is to study the advantages, disadvantages & behaviour of different triggers considered to be good then build one's own from the scratch.. at least that's what I like to do! To do that it may not be necessary to purchase a whole armoury for an airgun-shooting militia!

Dear Main13 sir,
How exactly does one "study the advantages, disadvantages and behaviour of different triggers" without actually using them FIRST hand?
Please enlighten us.

[main13]

Why do you think I'm so peskily persistent about seeking opinions & reviews?!

The design of the trigger or in general any mechanical part often does indicate its general behavior. The finer things can only be assessed by using it, or getting the opinions of those who know it well!

[kshitij]

Why do you think I'm so peskily persistent about seeking opinions & reviews?!

The design of the trigger or in general any mechanical part often does indicate its general behavior. The finer things can only be assessed by using it, or getting the opinions of those who know it well!

I have extensively used the diana p1000 with the T06 trigger, thought it was brilliant till I used something better now shifted to something else and now think the T06 was crap. So does my opinion make the T06 crap?
Similarly others will have their opinions. Can a company develop its products based on the opinion of the general user?!
Please be kind enough to further enlighten us sir.

[main13]

Now I guess we're digressing from the point! Discussing product design approaches is something I'm done with since a long time now! Used to make me very nauseous anyways.. when I switched corporate for country, I swore never to go that way again!

I listen to everybody around, looking for details I can use, then do what I feel will get my job done. Yes its unconventional but works for me. That's all I have to say about it!

[kshitij]

Now I guess we're digressing from the point! Discussing product design approaches is something I'm done with since a long time now! Used to make me very nauseous anyways.. when I switched corporate for country, I swore never to go that way again!

I listen to everybody around, looking for details I can use, then do what I feel will get my job done. Yes its unconventional but works for me. That's all I have to say about it!

With that, I stand enlightened. Thank you Mr. Warrior Buddha Sir
I have no doubt you will develop a truly world class trigger with the above approach.

[brihacharan]

With that, I stand enlightened. Thank you Mr. Warrior Buddha Sir
I have no doubt you will develop a truly world class trigger with the above approach.

Now that we've singularly & collectively "TRIGGERED" a critical analysis of a 'World Class' Trigger ....let's hope that those who stand enlightened in the process on making one ......deliver their promise
Briha

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With that, I stand enlightened. Thank you Mr. Warrior Buddha Sir
I have no doubt you will develop a truly world class trigger with the above approach.

Now that we've singularly & collectively "TRIGGERED" a critical analysis of a 'World Class' Trigger ....let's hope that those who stand inspired in the process on making one ......deliver their promise
Briha