AARMR Hurricane Model 15. First Impressions. Picture Heavy

[ganeshn]

Wah! I would like to try it out some time if you dont mind.
I am rather keen on seeing the accuracy and performance of this air rifle first hand. Want to know if it can impress me more than i already am

by all means, infact i wanted you to suggest that to you long back as i can trust your skills.

[kshitij]

Super. I have changed what i was plinking with since we last met, so you might want to have a look at the new toy too
Will watsapp you when i head out next time

[ganeshn]

Super. I have changed what i was plinking with since we last met, so you might want to have a look at the new toy too
Will watsapp you when i head out next time

awesome

[kshitij]

But I think the bottom sear would not return to its original full cocked position if we release the trigger before the final pull but stays at whatever position we remove the pressure on the trigger.

GNV,
That might actually be a desirable feature. I personally prefer the trigger to be left in the same position once i pull it through the first stage i.e. it shouldn't reset if the trigger finger is taken off. Something like that would aid in maintaining the rhythm of taking the shot resulting in better accuracy. Especially while shooting at something like a 100yards, i tend to hold the trigger just before the second stage cause it takes time to find the perfect moment to make the shot.

[brihacharan]

Added in 1 minute 36 seconds:
If possible I intend purchase a new NP directly from PH

I believe you have already interacted with doc via email. Ask him directly and i assume they would be happy to oblige.

But dear Main,
When I purchase a gun spending my money on it, I purchase it to shoot, Not to use it as a ram or hockey stick.

The way this dialogue is going "I wont be surprised if the manufacturers intend to use the AR by pushing a button and out bursts an "Umbrella"from the barrel end, in case one is caught by a sudden downpour while out in the wilderness!!!!!

Briha

[mercury]

in any attempt at an imitation ' two stage ' trigger, the 'first stage' is usually mimicked by the compression of a spring rather than any movement of the sear.

going by the provided diagram i would think a good spring in the trigger weight screw would help mimic the 1st stage travel. manipulating the trigger stop screw should help set the desired point for 2nd stage.

[GNV]

I think a spring plunger like in PH guns is much better and makes setting the desired point for 2nd stage easier than the present set screw. One can feel when the sear touches the ball/pin of the spring loaded plunger.And the second stage would be short and predictable.
Similarly a spring loaded plunger would be much better than the present trigger weight screw with its exposed poor quality spring.

[mercury]

yes spring plungers would be a better option.

my only concern would be safety. you may have to experiment with differing spring tension for each of the stages. i would think a lighter spring plunger on the 1st stage. striking the balance is critical or it could end up as similar to a single stage hair trigger.

Kshitij raises a valid point on 1st stage travel. in this set up you may loose that advantage , the trigger will reset. well you can compensate by using a very light tension in the 1st stage.

[main13]

The way this dialogue is going "I wont be surprised if the manufacturers intend to use the AR by pushing a button and out bursts an "Umbrella"from the barrel end, in case one is caught by a sudden downpour while out in the wilderness!!!!!

Briha

Bhriha Sir you always come out with the most ingenious ideas!

I suppose Umbrellas in Bombay, Inflatable rafts/life jackets in Chennai & Pepper Spray/Taser in Delhi would be excellent options! I'm only wondering, what would be more useful for Srinagar - Tear Gas rifle-grenades for Friday-afternoon downtown use or thermal jacket in the butt these days!

GNV, mercury, others : This is perhaps the first time the deficiencies of the trigger have been discussed in detail. Until now I was under the impression that people were generally happy with the trigger.. I only came to know today that people wanted more from it! That's why I keep asking for feedback!

The trigger has been copied from Remington 700 it seems to me (I can trust Sardars to do that kind of thing any day... ). No promises made about immediate solutions, will see how to offer the best possible performance in this department too. A man must earn his living!

Am looking at Rekord, T06 besides modifications to current one. What modifications will the wise IFGians suggest.. Should I go for entirely new trigger or modify the existing trigger to turn it into 2-stage?!
As always inputs are most welcome & shall be diligently considered!

Regards,
Warrior Buddha

PS: Sorry for the delayed response. An old chuddi-buddy was getting engaged yesterday. Excessive late-night open-air butt-shaking followed by icecream-hogging & soft drink guzzling left me somewhat less energetic today!

[pratik_mahale]

From whatever experience i have shooting air rifles, the trigger is one of the most crucial factors that influence the accuracy in PCPs and even more so in springers. No matter how good the other internals may be, with an inconsistent and unpredictable trigger, accuracy is going to go for a toss. For me personally, any air rifle with a bad trigger, sucks. I will most probably prefer not shooting such an air rifle since it will only have a detrimental effect on the trigger fingers muscle memory

The trigger has been copied from Remington 700 it seems to me (I can trust Sardars to do that kind of thing any day... ). No promises made about immediate solutions, will see how to offer the best possible performance in this department too. A man must earn his living!

Am looking at Rekord, T06 besides modifications to current one. What modifications will the wise IFGians suggest.. Should I go for entirely new trigger or modify the existing trigger to turn it into 2-stage?!
As always inputs are most welcome & shall be diligently considered!

Regards,
Warrior Buddha

PS: Sorry for the delayed response. An old chuddi-buddy was getting engaged yesterday. Excessive late-night open-air butt-shaking followed by icecream-hogging & soft drink guzzling left me somewhat less energetic today!

Why not copy the best I will love to have a trigger like Weihrauch Rekord trigger

[GNV]

Am looking at Rekord, T06 besides modifications to current one. What modifications will the wise IFGians suggest.. Should I go for entirely new trigger or modify the existing trigger to turn it into 2-stage?!

I think this Diana Type Trigger is no longer under copyright and many are using its design. But do you think that one could copy a T06 or Rekord Trigger design just like that without any legal issues?

[main13]

I think this Diana Type Trigger is no longer under copyright and many are using its design. But do you think that one could copy a T06 or Rekord Trigger design just like that without any legal issues?

Sir many companies have been copying them both without any problems even in US. In India a Rekord-inspired design is virtually impossible to get into trouble. OFB has been doing copy-paste for decades without any problems. Even the INSAS uses 'n' number of design-hijacks from FAL to AK. Another OFB factory went a step ahead & copied the entire NTW-20.. the idiots couldn't even figure out how to make it 'man-portable'..! So we're on safe grounds here.. What will Weihrauch do.. File a case in Hague citing how its one sear engages the other??!

[kshitij]

@Pratik, I guess it will be unlikely that we will be seeing a trigger like that in a product priced Rs. 8000, in the real world atleast
Forget T06 and Rekord triggers, even getting it upto Precihole level should do it a lot of good.

[ganeshn]

Record is no more under patent and can be cloned, we are fixated with cloning Diana 35 a failed model and faulty design with ball-bearing trigger, bullocks!
the Chinese have been doing it left right and center not that they are perfect, the XS38 is a fine copy of the HW97 and is dang good in terms of accuracy.if the Aarmar guys put their mind nothing can stop them from making a record or CD of TX200 trigger, the others Chinese clones are

B26 - Beeman R9
B28 - RWS350
B40 - AirArms TX200
B30 - RWS 48

we yet do not have a under-lever springer and a good wooden stock never killed anybody

don't get me started on Hatsan a co. from turkey, hoping to get our folks stoked...sick and tired...




would love to get an Indian TX200 or HW97 ASAP.

[main13]

Record is no more under patent and can be cloned, we are stuck with cloning Diana 35 a failed model with ball-bearing trigger.the Chinese have been doing it left right and center not that they are perfect, the XS38 is a fine copy of the HW97 and is dang good in terms of accuracy.if the Aarmar guys put their mind nothing can stop them from making a record or CD of TX200 trigger, the others Chinese clones are

B26 - Beeman R9
B28 - RWS350
B40 - AirArms TX200
B30 - RWS 48

we yet do not have a under-lever springer except the crappy tap loaders

would love to get an Indian TX200 ASAP.

Suggestions noted! Any ideas where I can find the designs of these?