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WoW ...looking good...all the very best with this new rifle gNV
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Jatin, GNV Garu, Brihaji, others - There isn't much I can do about it! If a manufacturer doesn't want to make something on his own, usually the customers' opinions get them to move. If the manufacturer doesn't listen to them.. He becomes BSNL!jatindra Singh Deo wrote:Main ,buying and then getting a stock designed and made is not everybody's cup of tea !Specially even if the stock gets made ,in all probability the inletting will be screwed up as its a delicate art rendering the stock useless .
With the current unbalanced design of the stock its near to impossible to shoot it offhand accurately .And nobody buys an airgun to shoot it on a bench rest !
What I COULD do was to get a new trigger made.. & get it sent to interested people. I've also persistently followed up with the manufacturer, all the suggestions made by you guys. He kind of 'groans' everytime I call him!
But the stock.. He just refuses to do it! What can I do??! What I decided to do was go for workarounds.
I worked around it with cheek-support & collapsible butt-plate add ons that can be fitted to the existing AARMR making sure everyone from a rabbit to a gorilla can hold & shoot it comfortably.
I got Teflon guides introduced, fixed that axial misalignment of guide, introduced top hats, gave it a new crown, got that loading lever sanded, choke will follow in the end, working on a lot more things.. Perhaps after this, a .177 then a retrofittable gas ram! Even right now am working on sourcing or making that MoS2-PU...
But then people don't contribute with their suggestions.. That doesn't help me which means I can't help you guys as much since I learn from trial & error!
Perhaps if I 'knew' what I need to do, you guys would have a better product to shoot with! As for me, I just want to learn how to build guns.. & I'm lovin' it!
What the guy HAS agreed to do, is to build the best gun design possible on his imported CNCs with great quality control.. So presently I'm gunning for the best possible power & accuracy. If I get even that for a paltry 8000 bucks, IMHO its worth every penny. I only need to take it to a Bandook mistri & have a stock done to my specifications for a 2000-3000 bucks more...
That's also why I wanted people to wait for final product then buy in groups.. So any modifications could be done together too.
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Thank You Ganesh.Ganesh TT wrote:WoW ...looking good...all the very best with this new rifle gNV
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MoS2-PU done!
GNV Garu, pls check Whatsapp!
GNV Garu, pls check Whatsapp!
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The AARMR people shipped the new parts on 4-12-2015 and I received them on 10-12-2015.
So far the AARMR people never interacted with me directly but Main 13 is acting as the liaison person. They are asking me to test the new parts and give them feedback. Then they would make any modifications I suggest and send those modified parts to me again so that I can test them again and give my feedback. Instead of giving my feedback personally I am giving it in this thread and I am also giving my suggestions here because I am not an expert and here more experienced ones can correct those suggestions if they are wrong. I personally feel that the collected wisdom of the experienced air gunners would help them make this HURRICANE air rifle a smooth and accurate air gun. I think it has the potential.
My personal feeling is that these guys have the sophisticated CNC machinery and facilities but they know nothing about air guns and they didn't do their homework when designing this gun. I was told that they are experienced firearm builders making after market parts for firearms. I think AARMR SPORTS and gunaccessory.com are related. And I think they didn't realize that air guns are completely different to firearms and designing a good air gun is not as simple as copy and paste.
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Old and New Triggers.
I was told that all these parts are prototypes made for testing and feedback only
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I fitted the new parts and found that the new spring guide completely eliminated the spring twang and the piston scratching against the receiver tube's wall and made the gun very smooth in operation. But the new trigger and seal are complete failure.
As I was opening the package I received I received a message from Main that the piston seal sent to me was already modified and a new seal was sent to me. It would take a week to arrive as usual. It seems they found how to make a molybdenum disulphide impregnated PU seal only the day before I received the package sent to me and they sent the new properly made seal to me immediately.
However I tested the new parts and the results I would post tomorrow.
GNV
So far the AARMR people never interacted with me directly but Main 13 is acting as the liaison person. They are asking me to test the new parts and give them feedback. Then they would make any modifications I suggest and send those modified parts to me again so that I can test them again and give my feedback. Instead of giving my feedback personally I am giving it in this thread and I am also giving my suggestions here because I am not an expert and here more experienced ones can correct those suggestions if they are wrong. I personally feel that the collected wisdom of the experienced air gunners would help them make this HURRICANE air rifle a smooth and accurate air gun. I think it has the potential.
My personal feeling is that these guys have the sophisticated CNC machinery and facilities but they know nothing about air guns and they didn't do their homework when designing this gun. I was told that they are experienced firearm builders making after market parts for firearms. I think AARMR SPORTS and gunaccessory.com are related. And I think they didn't realize that air guns are completely different to firearms and designing a good air gun is not as simple as copy and paste.
Here are the photos of the new parts sent to me. Added in 11 minutes 12 seconds: Added in 4 minutes 31 seconds:
Old and New Triggers.
I was told that all these parts are prototypes made for testing and feedback only
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I fitted the new parts and found that the new spring guide completely eliminated the spring twang and the piston scratching against the receiver tube's wall and made the gun very smooth in operation. But the new trigger and seal are complete failure.
As I was opening the package I received I received a message from Main that the piston seal sent to me was already modified and a new seal was sent to me. It would take a week to arrive as usual. It seems they found how to make a molybdenum disulphide impregnated PU seal only the day before I received the package sent to me and they sent the new properly made seal to me immediately.
However I tested the new parts and the results I would post tomorrow.
GNV
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Thanks for the update GNV Garu! I did the best I could! The AARMR fellows are like that only.. They listen only to what suits their convenience.. Told them for wooden stock a million times but to no avail! 
My first objective was to eliminate the twang & excess vibrations arising out of misalignment of guide. Glad to hear that its fixed!
The trigger reach was a problem, so that has been fixed but I suppose they made it too narrow this time.. Will ask them to fix it next time around..
The adjustable butt plate & cheek support are also in making, I hope that will solve it finally.
MoS2-PU was a challenge as nobody was selling it to them.. They did it themselves, so the seal sent to you was among the first ones made!
I guess until the time the newer seal reaches you, we'll just have to wait!
My first objective was to eliminate the twang & excess vibrations arising out of misalignment of guide. Glad to hear that its fixed!
The trigger reach was a problem, so that has been fixed but I suppose they made it too narrow this time.. Will ask them to fix it next time around..
The adjustable butt plate & cheek support are also in making, I hope that will solve it finally.
MoS2-PU was a challenge as nobody was selling it to them.. They did it themselves, so the seal sent to you was among the first ones made!
I guess until the time the newer seal reaches you, we'll just have to wait!
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Here are the chrono results with old parts and new parts. I just took chrono readings shooting at a paper target at 10 mts with open sights shooting from a sitting position. Without taking any careful aim. All the pellets landed in the same hole with the old parts. Tested only 4 pellets with the new parts because the guns performance is poor with the new parts. I was getting impatient and didn't want to waste my time with more pellets and accuracy tests with the new parts. Even with the new parts except MS HUNTER pellets the other three pellets landed in the same hole.
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That's disappointing to say the least... Lets hope the new seal fixes the airleak problem! 
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GNV,
Thanks for taking the trouble and sharing the details. From what i could figure from your table, the performance has degraded significantly with the new parts installed. Do you think this is because the parts are yet to break in or are the updates just plain crappy?
Look forward to the review of the parts and to know if they add anything at all as compared to the claims made.
Also, since you have just received few new parts from Precihole, it would be great if you cant take the time out to post similar results for that air rifle too. Just to have a fair idea as to how these two products comapre to each other.
On a lighter note, maybe you didnt get the "claimed" 27J out of box and 40J after tuning, because you forgot to use the most important ingredient
Just kidding
Thanks for taking the trouble and sharing the details. From what i could figure from your table, the performance has degraded significantly with the new parts installed. Do you think this is because the parts are yet to break in or are the updates just plain crappy?
Look forward to the review of the parts and to know if they add anything at all as compared to the claims made.
Also, since you have just received few new parts from Precihole, it would be great if you cant take the time out to post similar results for that air rifle too. Just to have a fair idea as to how these two products comapre to each other.
On a lighter note, maybe you didnt get the "claimed" 27J out of box and 40J after tuning, because you forgot to use the most important ingredient
Just kidding
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May be I should use ether
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The New Teflon Spring guide eliminated all buzz and scraping completely and the Hurricane after lubrication is now as smooth as my ORION.
The Piston and Spring are identical to the old ones. I can see no changes.
New trigger is terrible.
And the New Seal is plain Crap. But they claim a newer seal sent to me and currently in transit is better than the original seal.
Right now I am composing a similar table for my ORION NP in excel format. Hope to post it in the next hour.
GNV
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The New Teflon Spring guide eliminated all buzz and scraping completely and the Hurricane after lubrication is now as smooth as my ORION.
The Piston and Spring are identical to the old ones. I can see no changes.
New trigger is terrible.
And the New Seal is plain Crap. But they claim a newer seal sent to me and currently in transit is better than the original seal.
Right now I am composing a similar table for my ORION NP in excel format. Hope to post it in the next hour.
GNV
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GNV Garu, you may also consider using nitro-toluene if explosive Power is what you fancy! 
I take solace in the fact that the nasty misalignment has been fixed & the gun shoots smoothly now.. Another good thing seems its accuracy which had been vigorously disputed earlier.. The seal was among the first few pieces built as I said already. I hope the new seal will fix the air leakage & we will see better results.
Sitting several hundred kms from a manufacturer & getting him to fix issues for everyone else based only on the pictures of a gun you don't own yet is one helluva challenge to overcome in itself!
Have given my best so far, will see what can be done about that trigger, butt plate & cheek support too.
I take solace in the fact that the nasty misalignment has been fixed & the gun shoots smoothly now.. Another good thing seems its accuracy which had been vigorously disputed earlier.. The seal was among the first few pieces built as I said already. I hope the new seal will fix the air leakage & we will see better results.
Sitting several hundred kms from a manufacturer & getting him to fix issues for everyone else based only on the pictures of a gun you don't own yet is one helluva challenge to overcome in itself!
Have given my best so far, will see what can be done about that trigger, butt plate & cheek support too.
To every man upon this earth
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And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers,
And the temples of his Gods.
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And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds,
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GNV,
Dont mind me asking but what is your age?!
High levels of energy you got
Dont mind me asking but what is your age?!
High levels of energy you got
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Here are the comparison of Hurricane with old parts and ORION NP.
At 10 mts both are equally accurate. Yet to do proper accuracy tests at different ranges up to 40 yards to see which gun is better in accuracy from a bench rest. If both guns prove to be equally accurate at long ranges, then for me the ORION would be my choice to shoot offhand because of its stock and better balance and less weight and better trigger handling even though my ORION is low on power. I guess the Nitro Piston I purchased from kovibazaar.com is not performing well because it leaked a LOTs OF OIL as you can see in photos posted by me in a previous thread several months ago.I think my NP leaked a lot more oil than NORMAL and is not developing full power. Members can draw their own conclusions.
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kshitij,
I am 55 yr old young man. Recently I started to attend horse riding classes.
GNV
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Main 13,
I have Nitro Methane with me which I use in mixing Glow Fuel for my RC aircraft Models. I think it would also work but it is very precious and don't want to waste.
At 10 mts both are equally accurate. Yet to do proper accuracy tests at different ranges up to 40 yards to see which gun is better in accuracy from a bench rest. If both guns prove to be equally accurate at long ranges, then for me the ORION would be my choice to shoot offhand because of its stock and better balance and less weight and better trigger handling even though my ORION is low on power. I guess the Nitro Piston I purchased from kovibazaar.com is not performing well because it leaked a LOTs OF OIL as you can see in photos posted by me in a previous thread several months ago.I think my NP leaked a lot more oil than NORMAL and is not developing full power. Members can draw their own conclusions.
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kshitij,
I am 55 yr old young man. Recently I started to attend horse riding classes.
GNV
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Main 13,
I have Nitro Methane with me which I use in mixing Glow Fuel for my RC aircraft Models. I think it would also work but it is very precious and don't want to waste.
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GNV,
Heres to your health young man And all the best for the horse riding classes.
My precihole nitro piston produces a hair over 12fpe with the JSB 18grn pellets. So you might want to look into that if you wish but i am not sure if 2 fpe really matters. I personally find the precihole a joy to plink with and there are some days that I prefer it over the PCPs too.
Heres to your health young man
And all the best for the horse riding classes.My precihole nitro piston produces a hair over 12fpe with the JSB 18grn pellets. So you might want to look into that if you wish but i am not sure if 2 fpe really matters. I personally find the precihole a joy to plink with and there are some days that I prefer it over the PCPs too.
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Can't shoot well offhand with the Hurricane with its stupid stock. Each and every experienced shooter who handled my Hurricane cursed its stock.
With a sporting stock it might do well for hefty people. I like ORION for offhand shooting.
GNV
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If possible I intend purchase a new NP directly from PH
With a sporting stock it might do well for hefty people. I like ORION for offhand shooting.
GNV
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If possible I intend purchase a new NP directly from PH