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[main13]

According to Indian gun laws you can bring in your guns from abroad if you've owned them for an year.. So next time you visit your son, buy it & keep it there... Or buy it from here & have it delivered to him.. Bring it home next diwali...!!!

That is kinda misleading. You may want to check the facts before giving advice like that.

Dear Kshitij,

GNV Garu is a 'veteran'..! He knows what he is doing.. Yeah! You need to have a NPB weapons license if you're bringing in firearms but that isn't an impossible thing is it?! The point I wanted to make was that it isn't entirely as impossible as people think it is..

It would be great if you could offer us your wisdom on the subject. Have set my eyes on the Walther gun myself..!

Any loopholes in my "import barrels separately" method??!

[GNV]

Main,

Things changed after 9/11. Even with valid papers you can bring in a 0.177" to India only by declaring it when you board the plane to the Airlines and you have to undergo a lot of trouble before that. In case of a 0.22" without papers (for which you can not get any papers) no airlines would allow you to carry it even in your checked in baggage. Now every baggage whether you are carrying it or checked in gets scanned. Apart from that Dept of Homeland
Security is opening and inspecting checked in baggage randomly. Apart from that Dubai airport is also scanning baggage and you carry even a toy gun and you would miss your connecting flight.
If Indian customs is the only problem to bring in a 0.22" air rifle I would have gotten my FX Revolution 2 or 3 years ago. It is no longer simple that you can bring it in concealed in checked in baggage.
Now a days the only way you can get any air rifle legally not allowed is to get it smuggled across the boarder from Pakistan if it is available there in open market, I think, if you know the right person who can do it.I think that is how the gun shop owners get those brand new imported 0.22" air guns they sell.
To bring in any gun under TR you have to legally live in a foreign country for the specified time period as a resident and not as a tourist.
My son is living in USA for the past 3 yrs on H1 Visa yet he could not bring in even a 0.177" since I am not a member of any recognized Rifle Association.
Firearms are allowed under TR if the guy has a valid Gun License in India only. And I think 0.22" air guns are not allowed under TR at all.

GNV

[kshitij]

Dear Kshitij,

GNV Garu is a 'veteran'..! He knows what he is doing.. Yeah! You need to have a NPB weapons license if you're bringing in firearms but that isn't an impossible thing is it?! The point I wanted to make was that it isn't entirely as impossible as people think it is..

It would be great if you could offer us your wisdom on the subject. Have set my eyes on the Walther gun myself..!

Any loopholes in my "import barrels separately" method??!

Point wise:
I never questioned if GNV is a veteran or not and wether if he knows what he is doing or not. Infact I appriciate his contributions on the forum, especially this thread. So dont confuse me pointing out your vague statement with my opinion of GNV.

You cant "bring in" any fire arm even if you have a "NPB weapons license", unless you are a renowned shot. Even if your are a TR case and meet all the other criteria, you will have to get valid arms license before you can keep what you bring in. (Again, I am no expert and the more qualified members here will be able to better advice you on this.)

No one is saying that buying ANY make of air rifle in ANY caliber is not possible in India. As long as you are willing to pay you will pretty much be able to buy what ever air gun you fancy.

I have no wisdom to offer, only experience. I wouldnt touch any of the current walther pcps even with a long stick. (Not referring to their 10m competition air rifles)

There is only one loop hole in your multiple barrel theory, it doesnt make any sense to do that. It will be more tedious than buying the air rifle in the calibre you want. So if you want a .22 or .25 or .30 or whatever, you would be better off trying to get that in the first place. Besides, barrel swaps are not plug and play, you'd have to change quite a bit, breach included to make the setup up work. So this idea is pretty much a fail unless you decide to go in for a model that is made specifically keeping barrel swaps as an integral part of the design, like the FX Impact (or an Airforce Condor jugaad). Even then, getting the barrels separately isnt going to be easy or cost effective.

Anyways, we are going off topic. I saw something that wasnt accurate and pointed it out.

[GNV]

Never checked the full range of guns available in 0.177" caliber from Relish Sports till now. Only if club membership requirement is waived by the Govt, I think Relish Sports would out sell Indian Manufacturers. They have guns to suit every budget. Sad that only those living in cities where Rifle Clubs/Associations are located could benefit from Relish Sports.

GNV

[kshitij]

GNV,
Even if you have a club membership, they ask for a letter of endorsement from the club to allow you to import an air rifle of your choice. Most clubs will give their consent/endorsement only for competition/match grade air guns. This is understandable because they want to promote the sport and not have people take membership just to procure an air gun. Anyways, long story short, it is not a cake walk to get a merbership and import a high power pcp even for the people in cities. Only easy way is to pay a premium and get what you want.

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Precihole should be out with their pcp soon. This should be the ideal solution for most. Especially with the crazy restrictions allegedly being implemented in the new amendment to the arms act.

[GNV]

Kshitij,
I don't want to import a high power PCP in 0.177". I want to buy a good 0.177" spring/ Nitro piston air rifle from Relish Sports. It seems club membership is enough for that. Anyway a fellow IFGian friend just a few moments ago after seeing my post offered me to use his club membership to buy the gun I want from Relish Sports.He is interested in only 0.22" guns even though he has club membership. I hope it works for me.
GNV.

[kshitij]

If he is willing to help you out, go for it. The prices relish offer is a good bargain. They are decent fellows to deal with too. The only hassle is that they take a while to clear the customs formalities and you need to be extremely patient with them for this. When i ordered my pcp pistol from them, they took about a month to just clear the customs. I assume this is because they arent willing to grease their way through, which is good in a way.

[main13]

Never checked the full range of guns available in 0.177" caliber from Relish Sports till now. Only if club membership requirement is waived by the Govt, I think Relish Sports would out sell Indian Manufacturers. They have guns to suit every budget. Sad that only those living in cities where Rifle Clubs/Associations are located could benefit from Relish Sports.

GNV

GNV Garu perhaps you can check out this link & let us know if its tooooo good to be true??!

http://www.dianaindia.com/rules-to-buy-ezp-6.html

[GNV]

If he is willing to help you out, go for it. The prices relish offer is a good bargain. They are decent fellows to deal with too.The only hassle is that they take a while to clear the customs formalities and you need to be extremely patient with them for this.When i ordered my pcp pistol from them, they took about a month to just clear the customs. I assume this is because they arent willing to grease their way through, which is good in a way.

Kshitij,
When I used to buy RC Modelling Airplane kits and equipment from TOWER HOBBIES I always used USPS Surface Shipping only and it used to take 3 to 4 months to arrive and get cleared by the customs. When necessary I can wait as long as it takes without complaining. But when a new interesting Indian make air gun appears I just couldn't wait till it gets perfected and all initial flaws were rectified and buy it as soon as I learn about it. It happened with both Precihole and AARMR. The Precihole case is the worst and more expensive one. I purchased two ORIONS from the earlier production run, both suffering from excessive barrel droop and it could not be corrected because the old barrels don't fit the current receivers or the current barrels don't fit the old receivers.
GNV

[kshitij]

GNV,
In that case, i don't see why you shouldn't go ahead the procuring something you want from relish.

With regards to your experience with precihole, did you try contacting the manufacturer and try to sort what ever issues you were facing? My experience with Precihole, both the product and the people has been excellent. I absolutely love the way my nx100 performs, no complaints. I am actually eagerly looking forward for them to come out with their PCPs.

[main13]

GNV Garu did you have a look at the link above?

http://www.dianaindia.com/rules-to-buy-ezp-6.html

Its a new Diana website catering to Indian requirements. They're selling most of RWS models, manufactured in Germany & imported here by their dealer. They're only selling .177s to people with Club memberships. They claim a 3-4 weeks' delivery time and also willing to provide cash on delivery in Delhi/NCR region...

Products start from 26000 & go upwards of 1 lac for some PCP models.
As far as I'm concerned, its still better than bribing Indian Bandook dealers who behave as if they're doing you a great favour by relieving you of your hard earned cash...

Spoke to the AARMR guy again, he said the model was producing a steady 750fps with the old washer only. Apparently he hasn't yet addressed that angled guide issue also, so we can reasonably expect another burst of speed & range.

[Big Daddy]

This site does not convince me. Firstly they have a Diana website but the company mentioned is Syndicate Innovations International ltd. Not Diana India. Looks like their main business is import of Ballistol. They are not mentioned in the Diana Asia dealers list on the main Diana site. Some friends who wrote to Diana for some repair advice a few years back were advised to go to Kovai Sporting Arms Coimbatore.
That does not mean I'm discounting them. Could be the new kid on the block. But I would rather wait for 3 extra weeks knowing fully well that either my toy will be delivered or my cash refunded.

BD

[kshitij]

BD,
That website is owned by the same people who run Ballistol.in, Walther India and Steyr Indias website. Have purchased few tins of pellets from ballistol.in, they are good to deal with and seem to be genuine enough.

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Not to mention Ballistol.in also advertises on the IFG forum as you may have noticed

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Spoke to the AARMR guy again, he said the model was producing a steady 750fps with the old washer only. Apparently he hasn't yet addressed that angled guide issue also, so we can reasonably expect another burst of speed & range.

Main13,
You have mentioned multiple times in this thread that you have repeatedly spoken to the particular manufacturer, are constantly in touch with them and have "chewed their brains" etc.
May I ask you in what capacity have you done this? Have you procured their product or intensively tested it? Also, all the feed back that you are providing, is it verbatim of what is being promised by the manufacturer or is it your understanding of what we must expect.

[main13]

Main13,
You have mentioned multiple times in this thread that you have repeatedly spoken to the particular manufacturers, are constantly in touch with them and have "chewed their brains" etc.
May I ask you in what capacity have you done this? Have you procured their product or intensively tested it? Also, all the feed back that you are providing, is it verbatim of what is being promised by the manufacturer or is it your understanding of what we must expect.

I've had a good look at this gun a few times.. Held it, cocked it, fired few shots. Waiting for it to 'mature' first before buying so I don't have to bang my head over it later...

Loved what I saw, at least for an Indian weapon that intends to deliver 'affordable quality' & raw power, besides the huge scope for tweaking it.. These things are unheard of for Indian gun makers like SBB & National... Precihole is a good Indian gun, but it has reached its peak. This weapon is yet to achieve at least 200-300fps more from its current 750fps & shoots faster than the Precihole & is fairly accurate as well.

All this really interests me to see a new 'Indian magnum' coming up.. I find it good for the future of Indian shooting.. In fact I was among the first people to start screaming about it in another thread.. That time people didn't believe me such a thing could exist in reality in India. I hope they now believe me a little more after seeing the results...

I usually gather everything we find about this gun & talk to the AARMR techie.. See what he's upto, what changes he's coming up with..

As far as feedback is concerned, I mostly do a qoute-unquote kind of reporting. Where I must make assumptions & draw conclusions, I usually say so explicitly.

You want to know something specific about the gun that hasn't been shared already?

[kshitij]

No. No further questions. Any doubts in my mind have been laid to rest.
Cheers!