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Post by dev » Wed Jun 20, 2007 12:14 pm

Okay some guys are like pigs with pearl necklaces. This guy got his paws on a HW 90 and then he makes a habit out of dry firing it as he loves the noise that it makes. :evil:

Now, he asks me hey, the safety comes on after twenty or so shots...can you find out why and let me know? All that I have found out that the HW 90 has a safety reset button on the trigger guard and he may be doing so accidentally.

Tell me guys isn't there an airgun God somewhere who punishes such Cretins? I think I'll tell him that its damaged beyond repair and take it off his hands ;-).

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Post by snIPer » Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:09 pm

The only fitting punishment as of now would be to take the HW 90 away from him :-)
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Re: HW 90 ABUSE

Post by cottage cheese » Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:23 pm

If the HW80 is abused enough for any one to care... break the butt on his head.

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Re: HW 90 ABUSE

Post by dev » Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:12 pm

Hi Cottage,

The stock is so pretty with great checkering etc. I was looking for my hume pipe stock to break on his head. But the end result is that I will get it to a good airgun smith and then after I hope that he will have the good sense to look after it.

Easily looks like the kinda piece that's handed down from father to son. Or in my case...friend to friend ;-) Naaah just wishful thinking. But the cocking effort will make a popeye outa most guys so I am detached from it.


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hw 90 a teeth gritting experience

Post by dev » Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:38 pm

Got the HW 90 working thanks to TLC of Rajeev Sharma, who turned the rifle around in less than a week. So friend and I do some zeroing in at five meters.

First cocking it is a grunting , hernia generating option. Then I remembered another technique of being seated and then using both hands while keeping the rifle butt secure on the lap.

The safety goes click on its own but I keep the barrel secure with my right hand. Then I push in a gsmith round head in. After aligning the iron sights on the bull I squeeze the trigger. The trigger is crisp and beautiful like all HW's Rekord trigger systems but the explosion of sound that follows makes my ears ring. The pellet is lodged on the target at 11 O' clock.

So after rushing for my ear muffs I am back. I adjust the sight a few clicks to the right and lower the height also. Go through the same slap barrel, crank down with two hands and get pellet in routine. Align rifle to target concentrate on the trigger squeeze and...nothing. I had forgotten the automatic safety. So I click it off and this time I hear a pouf thru the ear muffs. Check on the target shows pellet at 12 O' clock. Repeat procedure remember safety and pouff... pellet again lands at 12 O'clock of target hitting the 7 ring of the air rifle target.

I am pretty happy with the basic zero now and will save more for the ten meter range where I will do my one inch high at ten meter zero. Friend (former abusive air gunner)owner is handled the rifle and told to be nice.

He takes it grunts through the cocking and slams a pellet into the target but he is way off. He held the rifle as if choking the life outa it. So I lecture him a bit about hold sensitivity and all and let him do it again. I offer him foam ear plugs but being very testosterone charged he refuses. I keep mine plugged in as he lets off another chouf (to my ears). Other wise to him its like the naughty kid at school slamming the desk down sound.

So he shoots a few more and then finds that he can put two at six o'clock. Encouraged he shoots a few more but again he has the death choke on the rifle and it replies in kind by shooting to the left way off target.

I try and it gently thumps a pellet into the same hole at twelve o' clock. Now bathed in sweat we break for tea. I quickly zip it up as my urge to blast the gas ram has gone down hill real fast. I mean my Qb shoots the pellet the same distance into a wood block with far less effort.

My friend feels like a guy whose love affair has gone sour. He leaves the rifle with me to bang off a hundred or so rounds to determine whether he should keep it. Yes Sir, you definately shouldn't... lets say how about I trade you this nice slick effortless cocking nickel plated IHP 35 for it? ;-) Naah guys can't be that much of a rogue hafta give his baby back soon but I will shoot it at longer ranges and see.

So ye gas ram owners is this how it is? Does it get ant better or is this as good as it gets. While this rifle is touted as more for pest control, right now it seems like the pest would be the one behind the butt. ;-)

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Post by Olly » Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:03 pm

Can we shoot at Siri Fort anytime... I am dying to try out a HW 77/80/90 before I buy one... Ofcourse I am envious of Abhijeet's gun which I am still to see.. :D

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Re: hw 90 a teeth gritting experience

Post by hamiclar01 » Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:37 pm

interesting. speaking of iron sights, did rajiv sharma sort that out or were they pre existing, since current hw 90s advertised don't seem to come with any?

have fun! and don't forget the athletic supporter next time you're on the field! hmmmm, seems the essentials are : tin of pellets, ear muffs, sighting scope, and a langot :wink:
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Post by mundaire » Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:21 pm

Anupam";p="23445 wrote: Can we shoot at Siri Fort anytime... I am dying to try out a HW 77/80/90 before I buy one... Ofcourse I am envious of Abhijeet's gun which I am still to see.. :D
What say Anupam/ Dev/ Asif? One morning this weekend at Shri Fort? :)

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Re: hw 90 a teeth gritting experience

Post by Mack The Knife » Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:32 pm

Dev,

I have worked on four FAC 90's to date and each and everyone of them has proved inaccurate at the powerlevels (22 to 23 ft.lbs.) they come at. Ofcourse, this could quite possibly be due to using the wrong pellet.

5 to 10 yards is no range to determine accuracy. You need to be at least 25 to 30 yards away.

If this person wants accuracy, then reducing the power to 18 or 18.5 ft.lbs. with H&N FTT is one remedy.

The 90 and 90k come with the Elite trigger unit, not the Rekord.

The one thing I like about the 90, which most probably is a common feature of all gasrams, is that they recoil back in a straight line (if allowed to do so) rather than torquing a bit to the left or right as is the case with spring-piston air-rifles.

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Re: hw 90 a teeth gritting experience

Post by Mack The Knife » Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:37 pm

hamiclar01";p="23450 wrote:interesting. speaking of iron sights, did rajiv sharma sort that out or were they pre existing, since current hw 90s advertised don't seem to come with any?
Anand,

That depends on the market these rifles are sold in. This is most probably from Dubai and there the 90s come with open sights.

Incidentally, it's quite possible that, in the U.K., the good old '80 and '80k have also lost their open sights quite recently. I think they now come with sound moderators.

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Post by Olly » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:40 pm

mundaire";p="23455 wrote:
Anupam";p="23445 wrote: Can we shoot at Siri Fort anytime... I am dying to try out a HW 77/80/90 before I buy one... Ofcourse I am envious of Abhijeet's gun which I am still to see.. :D
What say Anupam/ Dev/ Asif? One morning this weekend at Shri Fort? :)

Cheers!
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Post by dev » Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:31 pm

mundaire";p="23455 wrote:
Anupam";p="23445 wrote: Can we shoot at Siri Fort anytime... I am dying to try out a HW 77/80/90 before I buy one... Ofcourse I am envious of Abhijeet's gun which I am still to see.. :D
What say Anupam/ Dev/ Asif? One morning this weekend at Shri Fort? :)

Cheers!
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This sat I gotta work but Sunday if early morning would be good. With this darn weather, the gas ram will be like a sauna workout.


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Post by dev » Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:38 pm

Mack The Knife Bana";p="23459 wrote: Dev,

I have worked on four FAC 90's to date and each and everyone of them has proved inaccurate at the powerlevels (22 to 23 ft.lbs.) they come at. Ofcourse, this could quite possibly be due to using the wrong pellet.

5 to 10 yards is no range to determine accuracy. You need to be at least 25 to 30 yards away.

If this person wants accuracy, then reducing the power to 18 or 18.5 ft.lbs. with H&N FTT is one remedy.

The 90 and 90k come with the Elite trigger unit, not the Rekord.

The one thing I like about the 90, which most probably is a common feature of all gasrams, is that they recoil back in a straight line (if allowed to do so) rather than torquing a bit to the left or right as is the case with spring-piston air-rifles.

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I love the straight slap of letting the pellet go, but it feels like working the hand pump of a bore well to get it till there.

It would have been nice to have your hands on this rifle but unfortunately its too heavy to chuck your way. So are you saying that the heavy pellet would help to reduce the fpe a bit.? Agreed the distance shot at was nothing to prove the rifle's accuracy, it was us just trying to get a rough zero.

In fps Pyramyd air lists it at 850 is that 23 fpe? Its a very strange beast, you appreciate what its capable off but take it outa the cover and somehow your finger stops itching. Very love/hate type of rifle there is no in between.

Personally as springers go I love the feel of the HW77 k. Easy to cock, enough power on tap and sweet to shoot.


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Post by dev » Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:42 pm

hamiclar01";p="23450 wrote: interesting. speaking of iron sights, did rajiv sharma sort that out or were they pre existing, since current hw 90s advertised don't seem to come with any?

have fun! and don't forget the athletic supporter next time you're on the field! hmmmm, seems the essentials are : tin of pellets, ear muffs, sighting scope, and a langot :wink:
The iron sights are original and Rajeev just tweaked them a bit. Even I suspect that this rifle had a dubai accent as Rusty points out.

The langot is really a good idea. But a moderator and a good scope are imperative on this bad boy.

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Post by Mack The Knife » Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:24 pm

So are you saying that the heavy pellet would help to reduce the fpe a bit.?


What I said is that a heavier pellet may improve the accuracy. Since there isn't much of a pellet selection here, I had no choice but to reduce the muzzle energy so as to get acceptable accuracy with H&N FTTs.

In fps Pyramyd air lists it at 850 is that 23 fpe?
Entirely depends on the weight of the pellet. If one gets 23 ft.lbs. at 850 ft./sec., then the pellet weight needs to be approximately 14.3 grains. Which just so happens to be the weight of a Crosman Premier in .22" calibre.

There's another good point about this type of rifle and that is its ability to remain cocked for hours together without reducing the M.V. when the shot is finally taken. Mind you, in theory a spring is supposed to gain in energy when it is kept compressed but in reality that is most often not the case - at least where mass produced spring piston airguns are concerned.

Having a resettable safety is another plus.

Initially one tends to have a love it or hate it sort of relationship but once you get used to it those ambivalent feelings tend to vanish.

I wouldn't mind owning one but it would have to be a HW90K. The '90 has a bit of barrel droop.

If you are interested, I could get you one as I know of two that are for sale. Both are 90's though.

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