Information about GD 600 Air Rifle

[Basu]

To the best of my experience , Indian ARs are effective upto 30 mts max.In case you are blessed by 35 mts range then it is worthwhile to use scope.
I hv a Chinese 3-7x20 scope but it does not give me the kind of pleasure what I get using opensight and sometimes peepsight.It depends on personal liking.
Therefore it is upto you whether to use scope or not.
Sheer plinking or 10 mts tgt shooting is quite manageable with opensight only.

Basu

[bennedose]

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Strong_Gun

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[brihacharan]

IMHO - Open sights are ideal for shooting up to 10 metres (33ft)
Any distance farther a scope would add to the shooting pleasure as the clarity of the target image improves....
Briha

[Strong_Gun]

To the best of my experience , Indian ARs are effective upto 30 mts max.In case you are blessed by 35 mts range then it is worthwhile to use scope.
I hv a Chinese 3-7x20 scope but it does not give me the kind of pleasure what I get using opensight and sometimes peepsight.It depends on personal liking.
Therefore it is upto you whether to use scope or not.
Sheer plinking or 10 mts tgt shooting is quite manageable with opensight only.

Basu

Hello Basu,

I am going to practice shooting in a range that would allow me a length of 35-40 m nearly. I have already talked to the Aimco Shop personals and they have assured me that the effective range for GD 600 is more than or equal to 35 mtr. So, sir, I guess I should have a scope for the gun. The gun also has scope rail on it. You, have mentioned that you have a Chinese scope(3-7x20), right? Can you please tell me the way you bought it and the price? Because I have already searched for scopes in the shops of Kolkata and only D.N. Biswas & Co. showed me scopes and they are costly with respective of their level(my own view) , because they showed me a scope( 4x28) which was priced Rs. 2000/-. Well sir, waiting for your reply.

Thanks & Regards,

Strong_gun

[Strong_Gun]

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bennedose

Dear bennedose,

Thank you so much for sharing the link and its completely ok that the file was not being sent by mailing. I will download it from your specified link and check it out and for any other confusion I will contact you...

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Strong_Gun

[Strong_Gun]

IMHO - Open sights are ideal for shooting up to 10 metres (33ft)
Any distance farther a scope would add to the shooting pleasure as the clarity of the target image improves....
Briha

Respected brihacharan sir,

Thank you so much for reply to my post. As i have already mentioned in my previous posts that I would like to buy an Aimco- GD products-600 rifle for my first one. I am also interested in target shooting at a range of 30-35 mtr and that is allowed by the pre-specified gun. Sir, will you suggest a scope for me that fulfill my requirements and with which I can start shooting as a beginner??

Regards,

Strong_Gun

[bennedose]

Thank you so much for reply to my post. As i have already mentioned in my previous posts that I would like to buy an Aimco- GD products-600 rifle for my first one. I am also interested in target shooting at a range of 30-35 mtr and that is allowed by the pre-specified gun. Sir, will you suggest a scope for me that fulfill my requirements and with which I can start shooting as a beginner??

Regards,

Strong_Gun

Every shooter has to be a beginner once in his life. I too acquired a scope and a top class air rifle at a time when I was a relative beginner and discovered all my mistakes after many years - because there was no internet to help me at that time.

You will need a special "springer rated" scope because ordinary telescopes suitable for regular firearms get damaged due to severe vibration when mounted on spring powered air rifles. You wil probably need to spend as much on the scope as you spend on the rifle - probably more. A cheap scope will rapidly move out of position and get damaged internally as happened to my scope.

The other thing is that it is very easy to get frustrated as a shooter if you keep on missing targets. With an air rifle - shooting at 30 meters - you will not even know if you have hit or missed the target unless you walk up to the target after every shot or have a powerful scope just for that. Even that may not help if you have missed the target altogether. Apart from that scopes make your air gun "top heavy" so that the rifle tends to roll over to an upside down position. Finally - when you look at a target via a scope at 30 meters - it is still not easy to aim at one point and shoot - especially if the rifle is not rested in one position. Holding the cross hairs over one point will show that the cross hairs are continuously moving wildly around like a child swinging a sparkler to draw patterns in the air during diwali. Only in the movies and in Horvath brother's videos are cross hairs dead steady.

As a beginner you will find it much better to discover that you are really capable of hitting a 3 inch by 3 inch target at 10 meters. It is not as easy as it sounds. Three things can go wrong
1. Your aim
2. The quality of the rifle
3. the quality of pellets.

if you are buying an "unknown" rifle like GD 600 and you are a beginner the above 3 points will affect your success greatly.

Buy the rifle. Start shooting at 10 meters and then increase to 30 meters. You will find that if your aim is really good at 10 meters, it will remain good at 30 meters because it is the same things that affect your aim.

Let me put down a minor challenge for you:

Buy an air rifle wthout a scope. Aim at a paper target at 7 meters (about 20 feet) and shoot 5 pellets and try and get all 5 pellet holes grouped together in an area that is about the size of a 1 Rupee coin. It is more difficult than you might think. If that works, move back to 10 meters and later 15 meters.

[brihacharan]

bennedose wrote:
You will need a special "springer rated" scope because ordinary telescopes suitable for regular firearms get damaged due to severe vibration when mounted on spring powered air rifles. You wil probably need to spend as much on the scope as you spend on the rifle - probably more. A cheap scope will rapidly move out of position and get damaged internally as happened to my scope.


> Suggest you go in for a good "AR Rated Scope" - Cost depends on your affordability
> Recommended brands are:
1. Center point 2-7 x 32
2. Bushnell 2-7 x 32
3. Hawke 2-7 x 32
> I own 1 & 2 and am happy with their performance & stability....
Briha

[kshitij]

To the best of my experience , Indian ARs are effective upto 30 mts max.In case you are blessed by 35 mts range then it is worthwhile to use scope.
I hv a Chinese 3-7x20 scope but it does not give me the kind of pleasure what I get using opensight and sometimes peepsight.It depends on personal liking.
Therefore it is upto you whether to use scope or not.
Sheer plinking or 10 mts tgt shooting is quite manageable with opensight only.

Basu

Hi Basu,

Can you elaborate what you mean by effective range? Does it mean pellets shot from Indian air rifles do not travel beyond 30mtrs or are they not accurate after that range?

In either case, i use a precihole upto at about 45-50mtrs and i get one inch group easily(any flyers clearly being on my part and not the rifles). The only problem i faced is that i am unable to zero the rifle and scope while shooting at that distance and i assume it to be because of the barrel droop, which i have been advised can be corrected at the precihole works. For now i just tend to place the crosshair about two inches higher than where i want the pellet to hit...

Cheers!

[brihacharan]

To the best of my experience , Indian ARs are effective upto 30 mts max.In case you are blessed by 35 mts range then it is worthwhile to use scope.
I hv a Chinese 3-7x20 scope but it does not give me the kind of pleasure what I get using opensight and sometimes peepsight.It depends on personal liking.
Therefore it is upto you whether to use scope or not.
Sheer plinking or 10 mts tgt shooting is quite manageable with opensight only.

Basu

Hi Basu,

Can you elaborate what you mean by effective range? Does it mean pellets shot from Indian air rifles do not travel beyond 30mtrs or are they not accurate after that range?

In either case, i use a precihole upto at about 45-50mtrs and i get one inch group easily(any flyers clearly being on my part and not the rifles). The only problem i faced is that i am unable to zero the rifle and scope while shooting at that distance and i assume it to be because of the barrel droop, which i have been advised can be corrected at the precihole works. For now i just tend to place the cross-hair about two inches higher than where i want the pellet to hit...
Cheers!

IMHO - It could be the pellet drop at that distance & not of the barrel droop which you presume...
50mts = 185ft approx & that's a big distance for any reasonably good AR
BTW - what pellet weight are you shooting with - 14gr / 15gr / 19gr ???
As you know pellet weight can also contribute to drop over distances....
Suggest you try with different pellets & see the difference.
Briha

[kshitij]

Brihaji, i forgot to show you this when we met. I doubt pellet drop is a factor since 12fpe air rifles in the UK are used to hunt at about 50 meters with the crosshair spot-on on the target. Hold overs are generally used by them for distances above 50m.
Pellets used by me are the standard Precipell .22, it is 15gr i guess. Have not had this problem with any other air rifles that we use.
Have fixed up a visit to precihole works this weekend to ascertain what the problem may be.
Apologies if we have gone off topic here.

[Basu]

Dear Kshitij,
When one shoots with open sight beyond 30 mts ,the pellet tend to gravitate faster ,thus it becomes guess work as to where to keep the 'V' notch and most often then not uncertainity prevails.
I found most Indian ARs do touch 10 fpe power in general and so a clean knock down beyond 30 mts is again not for sure.
Reaction of reactive target is beyond said distance becomes placid and lacklusterous ,which is not pretty entertaining .
With given thrust , pellets tend to change its flght path due to air resistence.
Surely pellet travel much beyond 30 mts yet does not remain so very effective thereafter.

Basu

[kshitij]

@Basu,
So you mean that the impact energy beyond 30mtrs is negligible from most indian air rifles. Interesting.

Just curious, how come there are so many local air rifle brands in kolkata? Some one has listed about 5 local brands available/originating there. In other parts of the country, i guess the choices available are restricted to ihp and precihole. Are these brands any good?

[Basu]

Dear Kshitij,
Most Kolkata made guns are copy of old Diana 35.
The average price is 2500-3500 except Cannon 35/65 and SDB 2000.
My highly tuned SDB45 delivers max 10.3 fpe.At this stage of power ,it is dead accurate.Problem with these guns is ,when you try to increase power, inevitably accuracy is compromised.
My experience is same with NX club with SX100.
There are a few members who have Cannon and I think that gun is by far the best among most Kolkata made guns in terms of accuracy but again it is a low velocity rifle.
The difference like if SX delivers 1" group at 30 mts with 600 fps,the best kolkata made gun max go upto 2" group at 525 fps.
I remember iFGian Harshavardhan got 2.5" group at 40 yds ,using scope with 535 fps at muzzle.You may find the same on forum.
Further to mention that my recent AR SN45 delivered 10.7 fpe with 0.177 but very temperamental , I am sure with 1.5 fpe less it will be a civilized one.
Final take away ....you get what you pay....

It again depends on personal satisfaction.

Basu

[kshitij]

@basu,
thanks for the detailed explanation.
Cheers!