Maximum Accurate Range without Scope

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Re: Maximum Accurate Range without Scope

Post by sak2cob » Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:22 pm

Indian air rifle has a 12ft-lbs power as per legal limit.(IHP, new diana, Precihole(factory tuned),Daws, SDB models etc.,)
If it is in good condition and with right pellet we can shoot 1'' group at 25 yards.
if you are looking of 50 yards grouping then go for magnum springs( Diana 350, 460, Webley patriot, HW 90 etc).
But remember all magnum springs are hold sensitive and scope eaters.It does not hold zero with scopes because of heavy recoil.
Iron sight is the best option.

Finally PCP air rifles are the winners,for 50 yards and above.

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Re: Maximum Accurate Range without Scope

Post by bennedose » Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:35 am

sak2cob wrote:Indian air rifle has a 12ft-lbs power as per legal limit.
Everywhere I find people saying that India has a 12 ft lb limit. Can anyone point me to the wording of Indian laws that state that there is a 12 ft lb limit. 12 ft lb is a British limit. Some Indian manufacturers seem to follow that (eg Precihiole) but I have not come across a single credible reference to a legal 12 ft lb limit in India.

The only "limt" I know of is the "deal wood test". In India you could have a 16 ft lb air rifle and still pass the deal wood test.

So I would be grateful if someone can clarfy this - or else let us stop pushing the story that there is a 12 ft lb limit.

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Re: Maximum Accurate Range without Scope

Post by brihacharan » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:19 am

bennedose wrote:
sak2cob wrote:Indian air rifle has a 12ft-lbs power as per legal limit.
Everywhere I find people saying that India has a 12 ft lb limit. Can anyone point me to the wording of Indian laws that state that there is a 12 ft lb limit. 12 ft lb is a British limit. Some Indian manufacturers seem to follow that (eg Precihiole) but I have not come across a single credible reference to a legal 12 ft lb limit in India.

The only "limt" I know of is the "deal wood test". In India you could have a 16 ft lb air rifle and still pass the deal wood test.
So I would be grateful if someone can clarfy this - or else let us stop pushing the story that there is a 12 ft lb limit.
> This subject has been discussed endlessly, with no tangible understanding or interpretation of the details concerning the so called 'Deal Wood Test' / 12 foot-pound limit....
> Below is a link which explains why an AR was confiscated by the Chennai Customs - Very ambiguous :roll:
www.lawyersclubindia.com › Discussion › Civil Law › Appeals‎

> See the extract below:
I was importing an air-rifle from US via USPS and it has been confiscated by customs and they have sent me a notification order: I am publishing it in the below.

Can you suggest what to be done next and if you can refer and legal professional in Chennai?

FINDINGS

I have carefully gone through the records of the case and the written submissions made by the notice.

It is observed that Shri. Dimitri Martin had imported 1 No. Gamo Air Rifle vide Post Parcel No. 12345. The subject goods are prohibited in terms of Exim Policy and in terms of Para 3(i)(g) of the Foreign Trade (Exemption from Application of Rules in Certain Cases) Order, 1993. GSR 991 prescribes a soft wood test to determine whether individual should obtain a possession license from the jurisdictional police commissioner or not. The Air Rifle of 0.177 bore qualifies in the soft wood test & hence does not require a possession license.

However, if the air rifle of 0.177 bore is imported through cargo mode by renowned shooters/shooters registered with Rifle Clubs or District/State/national Rifles Association, they do not need to submit an import license from DGFT for the import of the same.

Since Shri. Dimitri Martin is a life member of Madurai Rifle Club he does not require to produce a license to the Customs authorities. But, this does not exempt the air rifle of 0.177 bore from the purview of the Arms Act., 1959.

The Forensic Sciences Department’s letter No. Ball./3371512011 dated 1210412011 for the reference made by the Customs authorities also opines that import of arms and ammunition is unlawful through postal mode. Therefore, I hold that the subject import goods had violated the provisions of the Foreign Trade (Exemption from Application of Rules in Certain Cases) Order, 1993 read with Arms Act, 1959 and thus. the goods are liable for confiscation under Section 111(d) of the Customs Act. 1962.

However, considering the fact that the importer being a member of The Madurai Rifle Club, which makes him eligible to import the air rifle other than the postal mode. I refrain from imposing any penalty.

In view of the above, I pass the following order:

ORDER
I order absolute confiscation of 1 No. GAMO AIR RIFLE valued at Rs.51, 499 under Section 111(d) of the Customs Act -1962

Sd.
ASST. Commissioner Customs. (PAD-AIR)

> Does this make any sense??? :oops:
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Re: Maximum Accurate Range without Scope

Post by striker » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:57 am

i have spoken to the officials Here in chennai Fpo the officer says airguns are firearms and they cant be imported through postal route but can be imported through courier or cargo mode. they strictly categories the airgun as firearm and give a hell a lot of trouble to the airgunner who import them. import through postal route in chennai will be a nightmare and near to impossible that too happens for a bb gun .the funny thing is that the forensic department will give a letter for bb gun stating that the "6mm caliber gun have passed the deal wood test" :-) and its not allowed through postal route .

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Re: Maximum Accurate Range without Scope

Post by bennedose » Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:00 am

brihacharan wrote: > Below is a link which explains why an AR was confiscated by the Chennai Customs - Very ambiguous :roll:
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com › Discussion › Civil Law › Appeals‎


It is observed that Shri. Dimitri Martin had imported 1 No. Gamo Air Rifle vide Post Parcel No. 12345. The subject goods are prohibited in terms of Exim Policy and in terms of Para 3(i)(g) of the Foreign Trade (Exemption from Application of Rules in Certain Cases) Order, 1993. GSR 991 prescribes a soft wood test to determine whether individual should obtain a possession license from the jurisdictional police commissioner or not. The Air Rifle of 0.177 bore qualifies in the soft wood test & hence does not require a possession license.
Thank you for posting brihaji.

It is very clear.

The Indian Law says NOTHING about 12 ft lb. People are only imaging a 12 ft lb limit in India. In India the limit is the "soft wood" or deal wood test as described elsewhere on this forum. I think even 16 ft lb or 18 ft lb may be legal in India as long as the deal wood test is passed.

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Re: Maximum Accurate Range without Scope

Post by Adhi » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:08 pm

striker wrote:i have spoken to the officials Here in chennai Fpo the officer says airguns are firearms and they cant be imported through postal route but can be imported through courier or cargo mode. they strictly categories the airgun as firearm and give a hell a lot of trouble to the airgunner who import them. import through postal route in chennai will be a nightmare and near to impossible that too happens for a bb gun .the funny thing is that the forensic department will give a letter for bb gun stating that the "6mm caliber gun have passed the deal wood test" :-) and its not allowed through postal route .
Dear Friend,

you are really correct that even our officer grade people does not understand the difference between Air gun and fire arm..? This shows clearly that there is no proper judgement has been released..related to air gun and pcp stuffs...

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