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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by hvj1 » Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:55 am

Tir open your acct soonest.

Amarinder,
The black bull on the competition target is most distracting initially, there are two suggestions;

1. Dry practice your perfect SA box drills on the Competition card.

2. Initially, shoot a live shots on the reverse of the competition card or white card.

Eventually you will get used to it.
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by amarinder » Sun Jun 30, 2013 12:42 pm

I read somewhere that the main reason for ARC MOVEMENT is wrist. And wrist movement will always be there while pressing the trigger as there is no connection between nervous system and wrist. But can be restored.


"FIXING THE WRIST - TRAINING WITHOUT A WEAPON

This is the weakest point of all pistol shooter. The sooner the beginner, with the help of his/her coach, learns to dominate this difficult action, the fewer problems he/she will have in the future.

This action is difficult for one reason: the muscles, responsible for fixing the wrist, are not controlled by the central nervous system (CNS). This is why an untrained person cannot fix the wrist without putting pressure on the fingers. Since the isolated fixation of the wrist is not necessary in everyday life, the nervous connections between the CNS and the wrist are almost non-existent. It is only possible to recover them with very specific, long-term training. This training is possible not only with weapons, but in any situation where one's hands are free: while watching television, riding on a bus, talking to friends, etc. It is necessary to hold something similar to a grip while trying to fix the wrist without putting too much pressure on the fingers or controlling the degree of fixation with the opposite hand. Imagine we are holding a very heavy egg with a very fragile shell - we cannot grip to hard or relax our fingers. At the same time, we must make the movements of the index finger very slow, but very firm, making sure they are not changing the muscle tone of the wrist. "

Can I use a softball like the one they hand you while donating blood and doctors ask you to keep pressing it, and practise with it all the time ?
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by hvj1 » Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:32 pm

Amarinder,
Can you please inform us the source of the page you have cut and pasted? This is indeed news to me that the Central Nervous System CANNOT control the wrist muscles? :shock: :roll:
Also, i would like to know, where you learnt that the Arc of movement is specifically due to movement of the wrist?
Dont worry, i am not criticising you but genuinely wish to know the source of your information.
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by amarinder » Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:07 pm

here are links to 2 fine articles. would be glad if u share some new info. with us:

www.pilkguns.com/anatoli.shtml

http://www.pilkguns.com/anatoli2.shtml
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by jitu sati » Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:53 pm

hey hvj, agn and tir and all
i am finally back into contact zone and hence on the net. just unpacked my lp 10 and now need to get back absolutely to the basics after almost a layoff of three months. hvj any advice what should i start with. i am re-reading all the pages on this thread ofcourse. but any specific advice as to after what period of holds and fig 8s should i attempt a live shoot. that is ofcourse provided i am able to rch the balewadi range. in the meantime i am trying to rig up a range locally to start off with the prac and holds atleast. all advice from the gurujan solicited
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by tirpassion » Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:29 am

Welcome back jitu,
I was wondering where you were and what happened to you. But I am very happy to see you back. It is a pleasure :D .
I notice also that your location has changed to Pune from Jaipur. Are you now stationed in Pune?

Start off lightly. Light physical workouts, figure 8's (preferably 40 to start with and increase to 60 in a week's time). A few live shots for pleasure about 20/25 after the figure 8s. Start also the SA hold drill. You will again have to achieve 100% in 60 holds. Start off with 40 holds and achieving 100% in 4O holds. You have done them before. So, this time it will not take much time to achieve 100%.

I just forgot to mention that please do not count the score after your live shots. For that, shot 8 shots x 3 cards to begin with and do it out of sheer pleasure.

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by tirpassion » Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:50 am

Hello everybody,

Question for Guruji/Brihaji regarding the physical workouts.

I have been doing Pranayam more or less regularly/daily. I I understand the importance of nasal and controlled breathing. While jogging/running, is it better to breathe through the mouth (logically to have more oxygen as I see most of the people doing) or through the nose?
When I started to jog, one and a half years back, I could not help but breathe through the mouth. Bit by bit, I am now able to run the whole length of 4.5/5 km or about 30/32 minutes only through nasal breathing. I find that it helps me to recover quickly after the effort.
Would you please throw some more light on subject of nasal breathing?

By the way, last Saturday, I bagged a silver medal in ML percussion pistol in an inter league match between Normandy and Ile de France (my region which includes Paris) where the top ML shooters from both the regions met around a gala lunch and off course in the range :D .

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by bodhijobs » Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:57 am

Congrats Arnab da...:)
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by hvj1 » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:43 am

tirpassion wrote:Welcome back jitu,
I was wondering where you were and what happened to you. But I am very happy to see you back. It is a pleasure :D .
I notice also that your location has changed to Pune from Jaipur. Are you now stationed in Pune?

Start off lightly. Light physical workouts, figure 8's (preferably 40 to start with and increase to 60 in a week's time). A few live shots for pleasure about 20/25 after the figure 8s. Start also the SA hold drill. You will again have to achieve 100% in 60 holds. Start off with 40 holds and achieving 100% in 4O holds. You have done them before. So, this time it will not take much time to achieve 100%.

I just forgot to mention that please do not count the score after your live shots. For that, shot 8 shots x 3 cards to begin with and do it out of sheer pleasure.

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by hvj1 » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:46 am

Congratulations for the Silver gong! Regarding breathing, through the mouth gives the body more oxygen, but when you develp the habit of breathing through your nose, obviously the lungs become more efficient.
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by dev » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:56 am

Congrats Arnab, next time we wont be meeting over hop flavoured beverages, it will be fermented grape juice. ;-)
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by brihacharan » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:21 am

tirpassion wrote: Hello everybody,
By the way, last Saturday, I bagged a silver medal in ML percussion pistol in an inter league match between Normandy and Ile de France (my region which includes Paris) where the top ML shooters from both the regions met around a gala lunch and off course in the range :D .
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> Hearty Congratulations Tirpassion :D
> Way to GO :D
> May more accolades follow........... :D
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by amarinder » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:26 am

To HVJ1 and experienced shooters,

I know that visualization also helps in increasing performance in any sport. But I get confused regarding the content that I have to visualize.
Q-1 Should I just imagine the movement of the gun from the beginning till the end? OR also include each and every small part that contributes to perfect shot Like starting from perfect grip, moving towards stable standing position(imagining and creating a sensation of locked knees, relaxed neck,chest,shoulder muscles,etc in mind) and then moving towards visualizing deep breathing and its soothing effect on my mind. Further, smoothing lifting the gun the way I want it and maintaining proper SA ,impeccable trigger control, and so on.

Q-2 What has the be the pace of visualizing like If I want a specific area to improve like Sight alignment or stability, CAN I HOLD ON TO THAT PARTICULAR IMAGE FOR SOME EXTRA TIME AND ALMOST CREATE A PHOTOGRAPH OF THAT PARTICULAR SITUATION AND look at that particulate image for 2-3 minutes?

Q-3 Which mental training pattern is more effective like 2-3 minutes of physical practice combined with 2-3 minutes of visualizing and so on. OR Doing them separately at different parts of the day?


Would be grateful to those who clear my doubts....regards
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by brihacharan » Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:03 pm

[quote="tirpassion"]
Hello everybody,
Question for Guruji/Brihaji regarding the physical workouts.

I have been doing Pranayam more or less regularly/daily. I I understand the importance of nasal and controlled breathing. While jogging/running, is it better to breathe through the mouth (logically to have more oxygen as I see most of the people doing) or through the nose?

Hi Tirpassion,

> In response to your above query....
Importance & Benefits of Nose Breathing

NOSE BREATHING

Breathing through the nose facilitates the passage of air that is moisturized, humidified and also filtered.

When we breathe through our nose the air passing through the nasal passage comes in contact with the TURBINATES (shelf-like bony structures) which slow down the inhalation process. This allows the proper mixing of the air with an amazing gas produced in the nasal sinuses called Nitric Oxide.

Nitric oxide is secreted into the nasal passages and is inhaled through the nose. It is a potent vasodilator (dilatation of the blood vessels) and in the lungs it enhances the uptake of oxygen. Nitric Oxide is also produced in the walls of blood vessels and is critical to all organs in the body.

MOUTH-BREATHING

Here’s an analysis between mouth breathing and nose breathing.

•Mouth breathing can occur from the moment of birth because all infants are nose breathers. That is the mechanism by which breast feeding and breathing can occur simultaneously. If a baby has obstructed airways, he may turn away from the breast due to lack of air and prefer a bottle, which allows him to consume his food more quickly.

•A mouth breather will not be humidifying the air, or slowing it down to allow the proper mixing of Nitric Oxide with it. The lungs will have difficulty providing maximum oxygenation for the body with this dry, un-humidified, unfiltered and, most importantly, air that is devoid of Nitric Oxide.

•This constant and chronic condition affects the cardiovascular system and the heart because the smooth muscles that line all of the arteries react to this poorly oxygenated air with a kind of tightness, a kind of permanent tension, which can be very stressful and depleting to the body. Furthermore it has been clinically demonstrated that blocking Nitric Oxide in healthy individuals results in moderate hypertension and reduced heart output as well as shortened bleeding times by activation of platelet blood-clotting factors.

•Due to the lack of proper oxygenation, the ability to deliver fully oxygenated blood to the cells is also much reduced. Thus mouth breathing has a negative effect on every cell in the body as it deprives them of oxygen. Overall wellness and health requires proper oxygen as every part of our body requires oxygen. Cancer cells by the way are anaerobic (living in the absence of oxygen) by design.

•Other manifestations of mouth breathing include snoring and cessation of breathing (also known as sleep apnea), some types of headaches, hypertension without other known clinical causes, bed wetting, chronic ear or sinus infections, sleep disorders and dark patches under the eyes.

*Mouth-breathers are always on alert, and they have a hard time getting their bodies to relax. Many have found an avenue of dealing with this subconsciously, namely through exercise and physical exertion. This is because during physical exertion large volumes of air is inhaled, which give the body the necessary inputs it needs to make up for the lack of proper oxygenation during rest periods.

Scientists in Sweden have discovered that humming -- producing a tune without opening the lips or forming words -- is an extremely effective way to increase ventilation in your sinuses. They found that HUMMING* increased the Nitric Oxide levels by 15-fold compared with quiet exhalation. (Ref: www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/breath2.php)

It’s truly amazing that “Chanting AUM” a discipline initiated by our ancient Sages has been the precursor to HUMMING! :D

BREATHING EXERCISES

Full Chest and Abdominal Breathing - this method is simply a deepening of the breath.

Take slow, deep, rhythmic breaths through the nose. When the diaphragm drops down, the abdomen is expanded allowing the air to rush into the vacuum created in the lungs. Then the chest cavity is expanded, allowing the lungs to fill completely. This is followed by a slow, even exhalation which empties the lungs completely.

This simple breath practice done slowly and fully, with intention, concentration and relaxation activates all of the primary benefits of therapeutic breath practice. In PRANAYAMA the breath is retained for additional benefit.

ALTERNATE NOSTRIL BREATHING

Placing your thumb on your right nostril and your little and ring finger (the finger right next to your little finger) hold your right nostril closed and inhale up your left nostril.

Pause, and while your lungs are full of air, switch your fingers so that your left nostril is closed then exhale out your right nostril.

Then inhale through your right nostril, pause, and again while your lungs are full of air, switch your fingers so that your right nostril is closed - Exhale.

Repeat this process about 12 times. This breath is often done in preparation for deep relaxation or meditation.

You will notice that usually one or the other of the nostrils is more open. If you breathe on a small hand mirror, the patch of mist from one nostril will be larger than from the other.

THE ANCIENT PRACTITIONERS OF YOGA IN INDIA were aware of the significance of this and employed this knowledge to enhance health and consciousness.

WESTERN SCIENCE DID NOT NOTICE THIS PHENOMENON UNTIL THE 1800S. :lol:

It has been found recently, through the application of current neuroscience that the practice of alternate nostril breathing helps to balance the right and left hemispheres of the brain.

APPLICATIONS SUGGESTIONS

•Health maintenance:
10 to 12 repetitions - 2 to 3 sessions per day

•Health enhancement:
10 to 12 repetitions - 4 to 6 sessions per day

•Getting started:
10 to 12 repetitions - Once or twice per day

Briha

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by airgun_novice » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:46 pm

Dear upacharyaji,

Heartiest congratulations on meeting Monsieur l'Argent. Hopefully, Madame de l' Or throws her arms around your neck the next time.
Hopefully, your dates in India correspond with those of NZ or GVM and we can all RV in Das Kapital. :-)

If I may add on to Brihji's - Mixing of NO/ NO2 might be the one of the secret ingredients of the "life energy" - praaN. No wonder it's said that "praaN enters through the nose". Why not through the mouth ? Of course there is a type of breathing through the nose called (translated roughly) "Widening the Throat" but that is still nasal and the throat is used to push in extra inhaled air into the lungs. Now sometimes things are laid out pretty much simple and in open; we worthlessly try to search for hidden meaning. :-) Nitrous and Nitirc oxides are the basic ingredient of amino acids, the building block of "Life" as we understand it. The "humming" pranayam is rightfully called the Bramhari Pranayam - the Humming/ Bumble Bee Pranayam. The sound of "Ma" or "Hmmm" that's related to Mahesh (Shiva) facilitates destruction of one form from whence emerges the other. Biology calls it Metabolism (= Catabolism + Anabolism where 'cata' stands from cutting down or breaking down and 'ana' for rejoin). The burning down of matter form of Kamadev by Shiva, Sons of Sagar by Kapila and the Armies of Vishwarath by Vashistha were all (as noted) done by the great Yogis with utterance of "Mmmm" through powers acquired by Tapas. These paved way for subsequent births of Pradyumna (son of Krishna) through whom was achieved the destruction of Asur Shambhar and the Yadavs and Dwarka and thus birth of the Kali Yug the Mother Ganga or Bhagirathi through whom was achieved the Salvation of generations of Bharats and emergence of the great Brahmarshi - Vishwamitra through whom law and order were restored. Thus through Destruction emerges Creation. Conundrum explained ? ;-) A word of caution -> Restrict yourself to "normal" pranayam - do not play around with the "naadis".

This above paragraph is of course OT wrt TOPS, please feel free to lemme know if it needs to be deleted and will do so.

Dear Jitu,

Welcome back home - from the red sands to the black basalt ! :-) Do get yourself registered in MH (through MRA) at the earliest. In fact talk to them and see if you can participate in the Aurangbad MAWC starting Jul 4-7. Details on MRA web site maharifle.org. Good way to start. :-)

There is a thread on Pune ranges should you wish to check out. There's one near Hadapsar (PDRA) where you can prax. The one at Balewadi will be closed out for general public due to some international meet there currently. Plus a couple of more "idhar-udhar".

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