Orion Vs Samurai 3G (Super Tuned IHP35)

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Re: Orion Vs Samurai 3G (Super Tuned IHP35)

Post by brihacharan » Fri Mar 22, 2013 11:49 am

dev wrote: Dear Briha Sir,
Your IHP is more handsome and seems to perform even better. I'm sure there will be a bunch of guys ready to pick up a similarly tuned one.
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Dev
Hi Dev,
> While I thank you for your appreciation... I must sincerely & humbly admit that I have learned a lot from my more knowledgeable IFGians about Air Arms through this forum.
> I am a firm believer in the old adage "Yeth Bhava Tath Bhavathi" = "That Which Can Be Perceived - Can Be Created"
> I have enjoyed every moment that I've spent with machinists, carpenters, suppliers of adhesives & chemical coatings etc and add to this my DIY passion and the innumerable hours of discussions with like minded friends.
> Truly IFG has opened a 'Niche' within my own space which I jealously guard :D
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Re: Orion Vs Samurai 3G (Super Tuned IHP35)

Post by fantumfan2003 » Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:25 pm

Brihaji,

You might want to do the grouping tests with the air rifles rested and with proper springer shooting technique to understand which pellets group better. I'll wager, at 30 feet you should get almost one hole groups from a rest.

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Re: Orion Vs Samurai 3G (Super Tuned IHP35)

Post by brihacharan » Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:08 pm

fantumfan2003 wrote: Brihaji,
You might want to do the grouping tests with the air rifles rested and with proper springer shooting technique to understand which pellets group better. I'll wager, at 30 feet you should get almost one hole groups from a rest.
M.
Hi Manish,
> Your observation is very encouraging :D
> Will attempt it asap!
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Re: Orion Vs Samurai 3G (Super Tuned IHP35)

Post by moulindu » Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:44 pm

Hi Brihaji
I have to admit.....cant take my eyes off ur SAMURAI 3G - my Super Tuned IHP 35, is that the same piece as mentioned in TTI.
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Re: Orion Vs Samurai 3G (Super Tuned IHP35)

Post by fantumfan2003 » Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:07 pm

Springer Technique

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British version



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brihacharan wrote:
fantumfan2003 wrote: Brihaji,
You might want to do the grouping tests with the air rifles rested and with proper springer shooting technique to understand which pellets group better. I'll wager, at 30 feet you should get almost one hole groups from a rest.
M.
Hi Manish,
> Your observation is very encouraging :D
> Will attempt it asap!
Briha
As an example of overcoming adversity, Karoly Takacs has few peers. He was part of Hungary’s world champion pistol-shooting team in 1938, when an army grenade exploded, crippling his right hand. Ten years later, having taught himself to shoot with his left, he won two gold medals in the rapid-fire class.

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Re: Orion Vs Samurai 3G (Super Tuned IHP35)

Post by Basu » Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:18 pm

Dear Briha,
In terms of performance,both the guns going neck to neck.
The grouping by RWS simply mouth watering.
MS is not out of competition.
Lookwise Samurai stands out.
Finally ,well photographed .

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Re: Orion Vs Samurai 3G (Super Tuned IHP35)

Post by moulindu » Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:19 pm

Hi Brihaji
I have to admit that i cant take my eyes off your Samurai 3G (Super Tuned IHP35). Is that the same piece that was mentioned in TTI. Your craze, enthusiasm is inspiring for novices like me.
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Re: Orion Vs Samurai 3G (Super Tuned IHP35)

Post by brihacharan » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:34 pm

fantumfan2003 wrote:Springer Technique
American version


British version

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brihacharan wrote:
fantumfan2003 wrote: Brihaji,
You might want to do the grouping tests with the air rifles rested and with proper springer shooting technique to understand which pellets group better. I'll wager, at 30 feet you should get almost one hole groups from a rest.
M.
Hi Manish,
> Your observation is very encouraging :D
> Will attempt it asap!
Briha
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Re: Orion Vs Samurai 3G (Super Tuned IHP35)

Post by slingshot » Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:20 pm

Outstanding post Briha Sir :)

On your observation on the .22, I have a couple of Magnum AR in .22 and they are much easier to shoot since the FPS is in the 800 to 900 range. I use the .177 at the range since .22 are not allowed.

I also read that you reduced the noise of the Orion stock by adding foam. Very ingenious sir :)...how did you do that? Did you have to open up the rifle? And does it have and impact on the accuracy?

Both rifles are good lookers. However, I do like the IHP 35 better. It has classic lines. However, The Orion has a very nice cheek piece and comb. Can you let us know the difference in the stocks and how they measure up in ease of use and ergonomics?
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Post by bennedose » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:11 am

brihacharan wrote: [ Image ]
That is a work of art

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Re: Orion Vs Samurai 3G (Super Tuned IHP35)

Post by brihacharan » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:59 am

slingshot wrote:Outstanding post Briha Sir :)

On your observation on the .22, I have a couple of Magnum AR in .22 and they are much easier to shoot since the FPS is in the 800 to 900 range. I use the .177 at the range since .22 are not allowed.

I also read that you reduced the noise of the Orion stock by adding foam. Very ingenious sir :)...how did you do that? Did you have to open up the rifle? And does it have and impact on the accuracy?
> As the Orion's polymer stock is 'Injection Moulded' the 'Butt', Pistol Grip & Fore-end are hollow, causing resonance when fired. I removed the Butt End Cap & the lid like piece from the bottom of the pistol grip & unscrewed the action from the stock. A sound engineer friend provided me with 5mm thick sheets of foam used as accoustic dampers. All I did was to cut to size this foam sheet & insert into the gaps in the stock. Bingo! The resonance was muted by 90% also the foam being light-weight did not add to the weight of the Orion. Fixing a Muzzle Break on to the barrel has positively contributed to improving the Barrel Harmonics also plays as a counter-weight to provide a steady hold> better accuracy!
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Both rifles are good lookers. However, I do like the IHP 35 better. It has classic lines. However, The Orion has a very nice cheek piece and comb. Can you let us know the difference in the stocks and how they measure up in ease of use and ergonomics?
> The basic difference between Orion & Samurai lies in the "Contour of their respective Pistol Grips". Also the alignment & height of the "Comb of their Butt".
I reduced the "Length of Pull" in the Samurai by removing the original Butt Pad & by fixing a 3mm white spacer + 5mm Hard Rubber Pad. Between the two Samurai lends itself to a comfortable hold + the feel of wood as against the synthetic of the Orion. In a "Chef's Parlance" I would 'dish out' my opinion as the subtle difference between "Cheddar & Mozerrella" cheeses :D

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Re: Orion Vs Samurai 3G (Super Tuned IHP35)

Post by djneog » Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:32 pm

Dear Brihacharan,
Read your comparison report on Orion vs. samurai today and also seen the two beautiful pictures of the same. I am a proud owner of .22 Orion and few months ago I had purchased one 3-12X44mm centre point Tag series scope for the orion but I could not fit it on the orion with the two separate mounts comes along with the scope. But after seeing your pictures and report now I understand the reason. You are using a UTG single piece mount which I don't have till date. Please give some information on this UTG single piece mount such as probable price, size and about the vendor where it is available.
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Re: Orion Vs Samurai 3G (Super Tuned IHP35)

Post by brihacharan » Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:26 pm

djneog wrote:Dear Brihacharan,
Read your comparison report on Orion vs. samurai today and also seen the two beautiful pictures of the same. I am a proud owner of .22 Orion and few months ago I had purchased one 3-12X44mm centre point Tag series scope for the orion but I could not fit it on the orion with the two separate mounts comes along with the scope. But after seeing your pictures and report now I understand the reason. You are using a UTG single piece mount which I don't have till date. Please give some information on this UTG single piece mount such as probable price, size and about the vendor where it is available.
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djneog
Hi djneog,
> Firstly, congrats on acquiring an Orion 0.22cal AR.
> Re: your problem with fixing your scope could be because the earlier batch of Orions unfortunately came with 'Shallow' grooves that could not hold the mounts. The company subsequently have rectified this by deepening the grooves.
> My idea of going in for an UTG single piece mount was simply because the shock that results when the AR is fired gets evenly distributed in the single piece mount as against a two piece mount wherein the shock gets unevenly distributed between them. This could result in the scope shifting either forward or backward.
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Re: Orion Vs Samurai 3G (Super Tuned IHP35)

Post by djneog » Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:06 pm

D/Brihacharan,
Thanks for your prompt reply. My .22 Orion is not very old. I purchase it on 05/11/2012 and its serial number is AB00219. Does the problem of shallow grooves exists in the 2012 batch of Orion? I have seen that you have some in-depth knowledge in this field and that's why I am asking you this question. Please don't mind.
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Post by brihacharan » Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:56 pm

djneog wrote:D/Brihacharan,
Thanks for your prompt reply. My .22 Orion is not very old. I purchase it on 05/11/2012 and its serial number is AB00219. Does the problem of shallow grooves exists in the 2012 batch of Orion? I have seen that you have some in-depth knowledge in this field and that's why I am asking you this question. Please don't mind.
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Hi djneog,
I purchased it on 05/11/2012 and its serial number is AB00219.
> Chances are 'you should not have any problem with the 'grooves' - however I suggest you call this no:09969027741 and speak to M/s. Precihole and mention your purchase details.
> You may ask them whether in your Orion's serial no: this problem has been taken care of.
> If not you may request them to replace it as you are under the 'Warranty Period"
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