Hello TP (what terrible initials for a target shooter to have
),
You are either not enjoying your holiday to come back to this blasted thread or you are as stubborn as me.
I read your last post meticulously and found hardly anything concrete to support your claim of ‘Rimfire shooting being economically more viable than airgun shooting’.
Then read it again and and the other bits in other posts which deal with what you want to discuss. I am deliberately leaving out the examples until you realise what I am getting at. In case you still don't get it, economic viability is just one of the factors.
Having accepted that they are sound in gun safety rules, should we conclude that for plinking, hunting, crop protection etc. we need not bother much about the sight alignment and trigger control?
What's this 'we' business? Don't you want to
"follow your own conviction" or must you be spoon-fed everything?
Please add on ‘dictated by the discretion and preference of parents’. This might be one point you were missing out.
No it wasn't, as that is stating the obvious.
A sandbag is an excellent alternative to the bench rest or support system. It can be made available for free.
Only when shooting from one location. Bit of a pain to lug around for a kid or adult but then you probably knew that or did you?
A small bean bag would be a better alternative for those who cannot shoot for toffee without a rest. Forget the kids, there are a fair few adults who are average to poor free hand shots because they have got too used to a rest. I'd rather start my kids with an apppropriate gun and sound free-hand shooting basics. It may be more difficult initially but it pays dividends in the years to come. Coming back to the kids, those kids who cannot have the right equipment, adapt. I did, as did millions of other kids before me. I have also noticed that many kids who get everything easy, whatever be the sport, tend to loose interest at times.
If gun experienced parents do not bother to use them for their children, it is most probably out of ignorance;
I did not know about the probable health hazards – I term it as passive ignorance
I know about it or just knew about it but I do not care – I call this active ignorance.
Or the parent may have something appropriate for the child to use, even if it means sacrificing some of his own toys to get them kitted out.... Ne c'est pas, TP?
Old enough at what age??? 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, …..years??? For which weapon???
Depends on the parent's discretion
, the child's build and strength and what they have at home. Your reading wasn't meticulous enough. Tut, TP, tut!
So, we are talking of inherited family weapons which the parents did not buy. So it came for free. That is the ideal solution for the sake of economy.
Entirely depends on whether you are refering to a particular sentence/paragraph or my other posts touching on this subject in this thread.
I recall that we started the debate with parents not being able to afford buying weapons. Anyway, rimfire shooting may be fine with children. I have not shot any shotgun in my life and hence I will abstain from commenting on it.
And I recall my participation being prompted by something else but since the bone of contention is being ignored, we may as well continue wasting each others time.
Shotgunning with light loads is no big deal for many sub-10 year olds. Also, there's more to shotguns than just 12gauges.
But I am a passionate ML shooter. Hmm the magic of black powder shooting!!! I shoot about 2000 shots a year and I manage to procure free lead to cast my bullets. Irrespective of that, my calculations show me that it is more expensive than rimfire shooting. However, it should be quite expensive particularly for the poor farmer… (the country would have helped me to understand better…) .
You'd be surprised how cheaply it can be done. The answer, infact, is staring you in the face.
I have difficulties in imagining an inherited family ML to be small and light adapted to the child (I still do not know the ‘old enough’ age of that particular child).
It isn't small or light or adapted to the child. In this case the child adapats to the ML.
However, I will imagine also that he is wearing an eye and ear protection and he is well conversant with the gun safety particularly related to the MLs. I will also imagine that the ML is loaded with a negligible load for relatively low recoil (MLs to my knowledge have considerable recoil with a proper load). I will also imagine that the gun enthusiast poor farmer’s boy does shooting on a regular basis because he loves shooting and that he does not find it to be an obligation to do the job of crop protection. I imagined quite a few ideal situations to support your argument. But in which ideal countries do these poor farmers live in???
If you imagined less and experienced more, you will have your answers.
Now, we are talking about the affluent class. Good! Did not I say earlier
I don't know about you but I am refering to children from all walks of life.
Quote of tirpassion
For me, shooting airgun or rimfire gun is a question of preference; I understand very well and I find nothing abnormal in anybody opting for the one or the other.
Mack said: Frankly, I do not care for the way this world is heading. Everything is being dumbed down and being made increasingly easy. They have already put pulleys on bows, so may as well use them to teach kids how to shoot....
TP said: You said it all. Thanks for your frankness that you do not care of what others think. You are free to do so. There is nothing wrong there either. But should others gulp down your thoughts without questioning?
I fail to see how my distaste for dumbing things down and making things increasingly easy has anything to do with one's preference for airguns or rimfires. As a matter of fact, I most definitely do not follow the herd and prefer to reach my own conclusions rather than being shepherded. What makes you think I give a toss whether others accept what I say? I will state my opinion and if someone does not agree with it, that's absolutely fine by me. You really are floundering here. Pity!
Thanks for your advice Sir. But I prefer to follow my conviction and will wait for my daughter’s hands to suit the grip correctly rather than trying to find a near impossible weapon which will suit her hands.
No skin off my nose, TP.
In any case, I stand in awe and admiration for the 2 yr something son of tenex. Bravo! Tenex is surely more than qualified to best judge he situation and is surely doing the right things for the best of his child. However, I can not help but think about his health and growth.
Why don't you PM him. After all we don't want TenX Jr. growing up into an unhealthy midget. I am sure he wont mind his father taking his toy away. I use the term 'toy' because it is given to Junior unloaded.
Mack The Knifeji, I am confused. You do field shooting with airguns and use expensive pellets for that but you would prefer rimfire shooting with cheap ammo and your desire can not be fulfilled in the country you live in.
Dear Confused, how did you arrive at the conclusions that I do field shooting, that I use cheap rimfire ammo, that my desire cannot be fulfilled in India and that I find this frustrating? This is really getting bizarre. LOL. I rarely ever shoot any type of gun now as I took the longbow some years ago but I'd be willing to go a 60 round AP match with you (isn't that your speciality?) and still whoop you.
Self taught, by the way.
But how can that personal frustration be generalized to claim that Rimfire shooting is economically more viable than airgun shooting in many countries of the world?
Already discussed and since there will be no more spoon-feeding, please read my posts again. Meticulously!
I am personally frustrated also not to be able to try my hand on shotguns because I have personal constraints. Maybe in some country of the world my wish could come true
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I cannot help you on the practical front but I could have my brother in the U.K. send you a couple of my books for you to study. Don't stand on formality and I hope you get to try your hand at all types of shooting and guns.
Cheerio!
BTW Mack what is your take on someone who started shooting a rifle (which one?) with a metal butt plate, at a fairly early age and yet goes by a cartoon character - "WTP" ? 
. .it may sound like tall talks for novices like me… you know… Anyway, aap sabki dua se, I have a few more specialities; ML revolver in .44 cal (25m & 50m), ML percussion pistol in .40 cal (25m), ML matchlock pistol in .45 cal (25m). I am not being able to manage the ML flintlock pistol properly (started 3 years back and rankwise, always in the bottom half of the French national championships since last 2 years 
). I have also started the 50m Free Pistol. If your blessings are there, in a few years time, this funnily named TP, might rub shoulders with the big guns of shooting … who knows 
... 
... no wonder they say the British feared him the most 
