The Precihole Pegasus - Musings

[airgun_novice]

A bit OT - but this is something I found out with my experiments on IHP (Remember the bridge beneath the receiver where two side screws go in ? The one's that's supposed to be welded and mine from brand new N25 simply kept popping off ! Well this is what I finally tried and the thing still holds:

Applied a layer of Fevistic. In toothpaste fashion - did not level it off. Atop added those generous droppings from two tubes of Blue boxed Araldite (I also saw one Araldite Clear - wonder if it's a stronger Bond for my Bridge Fall ) and then a bit of "ungli mixing" in circular fashion. I would almost swear I saw a pluff of fumes swirl up but then instead of blowing up in my face it held on tight that "bridge" ... till date.

I tried the same process on a copper plate on wood/ veneer of our door and rubber soles of my son's sports shoes. Same result. Hope someone else tries and reverts with results. More data = More learning.

[brihacharan]

A bit OT - but this is something I found out with my experiments on IHP (Remember the bridge beneath the receiver where two side screws go in ? The one's that's supposed to be welded and mine from brand new N25 simply kept popping off ! Well this is what I finally tried and the thing still holds:

Applied a layer of Fevistic. In toothpaste fashion - did not level it off. Atop added those generous droppings from two tubes of Blue boxed Araldite (I also saw one Araldite Clear - wonder if it's a stronger Bond for my Bridge Fall ) and then a bit of "ungli mixing" in circular fashion. I would almost swear I saw a pluff of fumes swirl up but then instead of blowing up in my face it held on tight that "bridge" ... till date.

I tried the same process on a copper plate on wood/ veneer of our door and rubber soles of my son's sports shoes. Same result. Hope someone else tries and reverts with results. More data = More learning.

AGN,
> Araldite Clear is specifically meant for fixing Glass & Ceramics (because of its clarity one cant see the glue)
> To fix the bridge under the receiver of your N25 - you should ideally have it welded or used M-Seal (black)
> However prior to application - you should remove oil / Grease by applying de-natured spirit or surgical spirit(available at all chemists)
> Then scratch the surfaces with 100 grit sandpaper to roughen them which makes the surface receptive to proper adhesion.
> More data / More learning
Briha

[lazybones]

Dev:
On re-reading my post I feel quite silly at having wasted so much airtime on two screws and a pin.
As Mack The Knife said, none of these are show stoppers.
The barrel, power plant, trigger and stock are all good. I have it on hearsay that the quirks I mentioned have been fixed by drilling the screw threads a couple of turns deeper and by using a thinner pin.

As far as the dovetails go, we have three possible solutions:

1) Pratik Mahale has successfully scoped his Pegasus with Araldite and a single piece mount. I didn't do this because most of my plinking is with open sights and I didn't want to fix a scope on permanently.

2) Mulki has suggested using a dovetail to Weaver rail. A good idea that would allow the rail to be permanently fixed with Araldite and allow the scope to come off easily using quick-detach Weaver rings.
This would also make up for the lack of a scope stop hole.
He's found one on ebay for about $ 10. I'm seriously plotting to inflict this order on the next unsuspecting friend/relative going abroad

3) Fabricating a 11 mm dovetail groove to 11 mm rail adapter. I don't have CNC machining skills but I have friends who do. My plan is to hound them so relentlessly that they make me a prototype

So, unless mounting a scope is an imperative, you can safely pick one up now. I'm really happy I did.
Also, a couple of posts in the last few days, about prompt service (and even a replacement under warranty) from Precihole, have really raised my confidence in recommending the Pegasus.

Mercury:
I've often fantasized about walking into the offices one of Bangalore's corporate Body Shoppers and announcing that "I'd like a new body please". Glad you understand

My lack of practice and being out of shape is now documented for all to see. It's going to take me at least 500 shots to break in - and the caffeine and nicotine has to cease

The shot cycle continues to be smooth and predictable. The only hiccup was that I kept forgetting that the automatic safety was on, That took about 30 shots to get used to. I can intuit that many of the trigger problems people are reporting may, in some cases, be caused by pulling hard on the trigger with the safety engaged - just an idle speculation.

I totally agree. The difference in POI between the round heads and flat heads is pretty stark. We've all long known, in theory, that flat heads are better at 10 meters and that round heads do better at longer ranges; but to see the difference in trajectories on paper is quite stunning. Pratik Mahale says that the trajectories flatten out even more with JSBs and Mastershot flat heads. So, that's my next project.

Airgun novice:
Thanks for the tip. Shall use your fuming witches brew on my rail, when I get it

Ashok

[mulki]

Dev:


As far as the dovetails go, we have three possible solutions:

2) Mulki has suggested using a dovetail to Weaver rail. A good idea that would allow the rail to be permanently fixed with Araldite and allow the scope to come off easily using quick-detach Weaver rings.
This would also make up for the lack of a scope stop hole.
He's found one on ebay for about $ 10. I'm seriously plotting to inflict this order on the next unsuspecting friend/relative going abroad

Ashok

Just wanted to clarify that the rail I found is not a 'dovetail to weaver rail'. It is just a weaver rail with a curve on the lower side that would sit on top of the receiver. I got one made for a Mossberg shotgun and it has 13 Picatinny slots and it is about 6 inches long. The rail comes with holes and screws and would require drilling and tapping the receiver for a secure install. JB Weld might work but not sure if using Araldite is good solution as the recoil might cause the bond to break. Any machinist should be able to drill and tap the screw threads for you.

[chucky]

@lazybones
If you need a 11mm dovetail to 20mm weaver adapter just PM your address.

[Mack The Knife]

I have not had a problem mounting a scope on two Pegasus'. One scope was removed as my younger son found the rifle heavy but after just over 200 shots with the scoped rifle, the scope and mounts have stayed put.

The scopes are Hawke Sport HD 4x32 costing 30 quid each and the mounts are Hawke 2-piece mounts costing 12 quid each. Nothing fancy but they do the job. The mount has been bolted to the dovetails at 5.5 N-m using a torque wrench.

The rifles are accurate with scope and open sight but do have some fit and finish and tolerance issues which should have been addressed before they were launched.

Doc is aware of the issues and will be addressing them.

[essdee1972]

Sir Mack, cool grouping there! I just hope you emptied the B&H pack before emptying your Pegasuses in it!

And that's a very nice case! May one ask which is it?

[Mack The Knife]

Lord Essdee, since I smoke Wills Navy Cut, I did not bother to check whether the pack was empty.

The case is a cheap and cheerful Plano two scoped rifle case belonging to a friend. It would serve the purpose of transporting guns via car or train but I wouldn't trust it to protect the contents when left to the tender mercies of the baggage gorillas at the airport. For that kind of case you need to shell out a lot more $$$.

[essdee1972]

Thanks! I don't intend to transport by 'plane, anyway. The "legal" hassles are a bit toomuch, esp. for a non-competition (0.22) rifle.

[brihacharan]

Mack The Knife » Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:58 pm

I have not had a problem mounting a scope on two Pegasus'. One scope was removed as my younger son found the rifle heavy but after just over 200 shots with the scoped rifle, the scope and mounts have stayed put.

The rifles are accurate with scope and open sight but do have some fit and finish and tolerance issues which should have been addressed before they were launched.

Hi Mack,
> I too have added a 2-7 x 32 Centerpoint scope using an UTG single piece mount on to my Orion & after 60/70 shots has stayed put.
> Hope your kids have good fun shooting with their new toys
Cheers
Briha

[chucky]

Hello lazybones,
Have you mounted the scope yet??

[airgun_novice]

Paid a visit to PH facility yesterday to get a few old teething issues sorted out. Since all the staff were in meeting, I waited patiently for over an hour. I called up the Doc a couple of times and he dispatched his engineer to take a look at my Pegasus. Meanwhile I had noted the issues I wanted addressed:

1. I had fixed in the rear sight with a thread-locker but the elevation wheel wobbled. Not sure how that would impact shooting since I hadn't shot consistently in a long time. But still the issue needed to be addressed.

2. I wanted a modest (non-shiny-silvery) trigger. I had also hack-sawed through about half of the trigger to use it on my AP after it's plastic trigger shoe broke. Since the trigger shoes came en masse from the supplier with silver plating done - and that too a very fine job since all the scrapping efforts failed - it was a tall order. But lucky me; an "un-coated" trigger came in view of the engineer and he immediately set it aside for me.

3. For some reason the trigger assembly gave me TWO first pulls and then the second. Bear it in mind that I had used this AR straight out of box at a local competition. In the second the second set the second first pull disappeared on 4-5 occasions, I was taken by surprise and hit the white resulting in lower scores on the second card vis-a-vis the rest three that came around consistently. So this issue had to be addressed and for some reason or the other I had not taken it for a look-over. I had chosen Pegasus since I primarily wanted this AR for plinking but which if need be in smaller local tourneys would also double over as a match grade AR of .177 - hence no Orion for me. Ideally, I would have used the SX100 Club for OS AR competitions.

Anyway, I had suggested in the note for a look at the trigger shoe screw and wondered if it could be twice the length to hold it in better. Also wondered if the hollow butt (stock) would act like a woofer and direct the energy downward towards the trigger area thus resulting in its getting loose over time unless fixed by a good thread-locker.

To come back to my visit - the engineer came and apologized to keep me waiting for so long and got down to the task with a smile and "I shall first fix your Pegasus and then sit down for lunch". I was pleasantly surprised to see that the company had indeed increased that screw size to double of what was on previous ARs. So I had that one right - some of the Doc's teachings had not gone in vain. He dismantled the trigger assembly and replaced the "irritants". A tiny mismatch in order of fraction of a millimeter was the cause of the two first pulls. He immediately got me a new assembly for rear sight and set to work on it piece-by-piece, himself, rather than ask some subordinate staff member to fix it for me. And of course, the "modest" trigger shoe was immediately procured and affixed. He also asked after my daughter and queried if she had taken up shooting with this AR in full earnest.

30 min later, I tested the Pegasus on their 10m lane with R-10s on AR target (hand-held) and was happy to see that the expectations were met. Will zero in at the range one of these days. On the way out, as I was penning in my time the watchman actually asked me if I would like to share a roti with him since it was lunch time and he was having his food. I was very impressed at the cultural value displayed by the humble watchman, though of course I declined.

Shall also try to get the butt plate off and push some Styrofoam through the stock to see if post-shot vibrations dampen - think Brihji had already done that with positive results. All-in-all, thank you PH for the overall experience yesterday .

[moulindu]

Hi
Sorry to dig the old thread again. I was thinking of buying a precihole long back, but after seeing all the glitches just became silent observer & now for getting better knowledge i read ll the related threads again, it took me almost 5 hrs to complete that i started. In between i knocked couple of of our eminent members as well for their valuable suggestions.Then i thought the best idea of getting response from a larger group of users, is to start the post again.The last post was in the middle of March & then suddenly all quiet. So I am curious is this because the new batch is all flawless and there hasn't been any issues at all that were persistent in the earlier batches. Or the people are becoming gunsmith and repairing the problems by themselves or no one from IFG has not bought it since then?
Though the second &third options seems to be absurd, but if is it the 1st reason then.......................
I am not here to daunt or support the brand, Iam just curious & want to know whether it will be the right call to make to buy precihole.
The Mumbai IFG members can give a better perspective about the products of the new batch. Eagerly waiting for response
Regards Moulindu