Lever Action or Double Rifle?

[Lever Action]

The .32-40 was a redoubtable cartridge in its heyday with a transnational if not global appeal. Many renowned British gun makers, including Westley Richards, had quite a line of rifles chambered for it. These were mostly in Martini action and available with a variety of sights, stocks etc priced from four to six pounds sterling.

The cartridge has lost its popularity with the introduction of newer, more versatile loadings. I can only hope that its decline is not terminal.

Two Rivers, which of these cartridges would rate as (a) the most viable in the long run and (b) most suitable for use in home defence situations of the type envisaged by me.

.22 Hornet, .22 High Power Savage, 250-3000 Savage, .300 Savage, .30-30 Winchester, .32-40 Winchester, .33 Winchester and the .44-40 Winchester.

I am really going off topic here and should correctly start a new thread for this.

Regards.[/quote]

Hi sir , I own a 30.30 savage 1899 rifle and have taken lights out of bricks and beer bottles upto 70-90 yards with open sights , would be more than happy to invite you to try it out yourself, am at Kanpur not too far from your place , and as for viability of 30.30 in indian scenario I must say its easily available with dealers and a suitable firepower to hit a target upto 150-200 yards .

regards

[miroflex]

The .32-40 was a redoubtable cartridge in its heyday with a transnational if not global appeal. Many renowned British gun makers, including Westley Richards, had quite a line of rifles chambered for it. These were mostly in Martini action and available with a variety of sights, stocks etc priced from four to six pounds sterling.

The cartridge has lost its popularity with the introduction of newer, more versatile loadings. I can only hope that its decline is not terminal.

Two Rivers, which of these cartridges would rate as (a) the most viable in the long run and (b) most suitable for use in home defence situations of the type envisaged by me.

.22 Hornet, .22 High Power Savage, 250-3000 Savage, .300 Savage, .30-30 Winchester, .32-40 Winchester, .33 Winchester and the .44-40 Winchester.

I am really going off topic here and should correctly start a new thread for this.

Regards.

Hi sir , I own a 30.30 savage 1899 rifle and have taken lights out of bricks and beer bottles upto 70-90 yards with open sights , would be more than happy to invite you to try it out yourself, am at Kanpur not too far from your place , and as for viability of 30.30 in indian scenario I must say its easily available with dealers and a suitable firepower to hit a target upto 150-200 yards .

regards

Thank you very much for your very helpful post, Lever Action. I am certainly interested in taking up your generous offer. Am sending you a PM.

Regards.

[miroflex]

I am still unsure about how these sights are to be used and what are their advantages over open sights. I would like to try them out if any member who has installed them could very kindly show them to me. I am in Allahabad and can travel a bit to see them.

I have an Ultradot mounted on my Dad's .30 carbine, you're welcome to try it out whenever you're in Delhi next.

Cheers!
Abhijeet

Hello Abhijeet,

I had sent you two PMs. I don't know if you got them. I was in Delhi a couple of days back but could not contact you as I did not have your phone number or address. If you would be so kind as to PM them to me I would like to take up your kind offer the next time I am in Delhi.

Regards.

[miroflex]

Red dot sights

How easy or difficult will it be to fit red dot sights to a double rifle, to a Winchester Model 1895 or to a Savage Model 1899? Would a Crosman 0290 red dot sight meant for air rifles be suitable for mounting on a centre fire rifle?

Regards.

[TwoRivers]

If the rifle were drilled and tapped for a scope base, then all you'd have to do is find a Weaver style base for it. But none of the rifles you mention are; this not being done until after the 1940s. So it would be a job for a gunsmith equipped to do so. It's not a job for an amateur with a hand drill. For a double, only one barrel can have the sight adjusted for it, the second one will be a bit off. A sight meant for an air rifle may not be a good choice for a centerfire, and I know of no one who has done so.

[James_Bond]

being a indian Rifle For Self defance 30-06 are the best. Double rifle like 405 are not best for self defance. Its for big game. But off the post as I thingh .303 Lee Enfield Rifle are the best for home defance as well as for hunting. Most imp hunting are illegal in India

Do you mind giving us the "why" and "because" to these sweeping statements?

Bro I mentioned in my previous post (But off the post as I thingh). I know that .303 is the PB Calliber and Yes, the police will take very kindly when they found .303 in my hand( I emezine my situation at that time). I fired with .303 In a NCC camp during my collage days. I don't know what ours experienced IFG person thought. But In my openion due to effective range it is the best rifle. Its recoil are like a Enfiled kick.

[winnie_the_pooh]

Bond Sahib What is an Enfield kick? How about a comparison of the 303 and 30-06 based on your 'experience'?

I am still a bit confused about what you wished to convey at a couple of places in your post but I think I have got the gist of it.

[Skyman]

I think he means the kicker on a royal enfield...? From the 80's...

[winnie_the_pooh]

I think he means the kicker on a royal enfield...? From the 80's...

If he means that, then it leaves me even more confused.BTW the Lee Enfield is not that unpleasant to fire.

[Skyman]

Well they were a little difficult to kick.The yezdi's used to backfire giving you a sprained foot.Maybe something of that sort was implied.You had to kick it and get your foot out of the way because the kicker would snap back with annoying force.

Or some kung fu kick who knows....?

[TwoRivers]

Bro I mentioned in my previous post (But off the post as I thingh). I know that .303 is the PB Calliber and Yes, the police will take very kindly when they found .303 in my hand( I emezine my situation at that time). I fired with .303 In a NCC camp during my collage days. I don't know what ours experienced IFG person thought. But In my openion due to effective range it is the best rifle. Its recoil are like a Enfiled kick.

Thank you so much, James, for your succinct and informative answer. While I still don"t know why a Lee-Enfield .303 is best for everything, I will be looking forward to more of your well reasoned and knowledgable posts.

[James_Bond]

Bond Sahib What is an Enfield kick? How about a comparison of the 303 and 30-06 based on your 'experience'?

I am still a bit confused about what you wished to convey at a couple of places in your post but I think I have got the gist of it.

Bro I mentioned in my previous post (But off the post as I thingh). I know that .303 is the PB Calliber and Yes, the police will take very kindly when they found .303 in my hand( I emezine my situation at that time). I fired with .303 In a NCC camp during my collage days. I don't know what ours experienced IFG person thought. But In my openion due to effective range it is the best rifle. Its recoil are like a Enfiled kick.

Thank you so much, James, for your succinct and informative answer. While I still don"t know why a Lee-Enfield .303 is best for everything, I will be looking forward to more of your well reasoned and knowledgable posts.

.303 Muzzle Velocity are 2,441 ft/s (744 m/s)and its effective range are (550 yd) 503 m and Maximun range are 3,000 yd (2,743 m) It holds a 5 to 10 cartiges 10-round magazine, loaded with 5-round charger clips. 30-06 hold 3 rounds( from outside if you purchased 6 round magzine).And imp thing its effective range are 400m. I am not telling here that .303 are the best for everthing,And 30-06 are not. I am only mentioned here due to its effective range.

[TwoRivers]

.303 Muzzle Velocity are 2,441 ft/s (744 m/s)and its effective range are (550 yd) 503 m and Maximun range are 3,000 yd (2,743 m) It holds a 5 to 10 cartiges 10-round magazine, loaded with 5-round charger clips. 30-06 hold 3 rounds( from outside if you purchased 6 round magzine).And imp thing its effective range are 400m. I am not telling here that .303 are the best for everthing,And 30-06 are not. I am only mentioned here due to its effective range.

Do you even have a clue what the term "effective range" means? Would you please define what that term means to you?

[miroflex]

Well they were a little difficult to kick.The yezdi's used to backfire giving you a sprained foot.Maybe something of that sort was implied.You had to kick it and get your foot out of the way because the kicker would snap back with annoying force.

Or some kung fu kick who knows....?

The Yezdi would backfire if an attempt was made to start it on a lean mixture. If the carburetter was 'tickled' by depressing the float and the float chamber flooded with petrol, the Yezdi would usually start docilely enough, without the kick starter recoiling on one's foot.

[Skyman]

Sir Ji, they run them lean here for better FE....and they would rather push start than waste precious fuel with a choke But my experience with Yezdi's is limited.

Back to topic, kills have been made with 30.06 rounds at distances much longer than 400M.