PreciHole AirGun Review

[Boomshiva]

Just had a pleasant surprise: I sent an email to Precihole detailing the problem and within hours I received a call from their rep, Ms. Anjum. I will return the rifle to the dealer tomorrow and precihole has promised to replace trigger, spring and anything else faulty and return the rifle in 48 hours. Good to see such prompt service. Will keep you posted on how it goes.

[Mack The Knife]

Very happy to read that. More so, as today happens to be a Sunday.

[AbbasRiz]

What you see are flattened pellets not pellet holes.

Mack sir,
You are right. The pellet holes are at the lower side of the target paper. Earlier, I overlooked it. I am very much impressed with the tight grouping achieved by namcmd.
Other glitches kept aside, the Precihole air rifle seems to be highly accurate.
I would suggest namcmd to just request the PH to rectify his rifle's problems and not ask for a refund of money. It dishes out great accuracy man!
Regards,
Abbas

[airgun_novice]

Fantastic shooting & grouping, namcmd. Congratulations.

I could not understand your point, dear AGN,
The breadth of the target paper appears to be not less than 6 inches. The shots are spread across the whole breadth of the target paper. It appears to be at least 6 inches grouping. And you say it is fantastic grouping.

I did not expect a 6 inches grouping from the so called world class Air Rifle costing 10,000/-

Regards,
Abbas

Dear Abbas,

What he has used is an AR target. How do I think so ? The dead center is a "DOT" - the air pistol (AP) target has a RING (usually called "X" or "10.9"). Typically all of the air rifle target measures 10cm X 10cm with the #4 ring of the dark circle only 3 (three) cm in diameter. Now on such a small target an impact and therefore the tear from one .22 cal is considerable - namcmd shot 10. That too gsmith High Speed which are pointed with the ring like that of High Impact that tears out upon impact on metal at 10m as seen in the picture. That will also tear the paper target from *behind* since paper mostly sticks to the pellet-stop. Ideally flatheads are used at 10m on paper targets and as you must be aware in India we use only the .177 cal in 10m.

So all said and done it was a fantastic job - of course, namcmd has his rights as a buyer and an individual to reject any product. Please see my suggestions so with namcmd's skills we could get a better picture and understanding on the piece behaviour.

The final performance outcome of course depends upon the shooter, the rifle/ pistol, the pellet and the causal-temporal conditions. I witnessed at PH along with some other IFGians different pellets being fired from vise-gripped Club, Orion and Pegasus at different times and yes only some pellets (non-Indian) went "hole-in-hole". I think pratik_mahale has written elaborately on that. He is also in the process of doing a "group study" using various pellets on his Pegasus.

Now to give an example of "gun-pellet relationship" I have an FWB P34 AP. FWB's associated with manufacture of world-class and Olympic approved RWS (R-10) pellets. They even have a single hole "5-shot-at-10m" (not even a hole-in-hole) cutout attached to the AP manual. But guess what ? For whatever reason when I shoot with that 20-yr old AP I make 10-15 points more using Mastershot (Indian) Yellow Box pellets than the world-class pellets which cost me more than thrice the Indian ones ! How so ? No idea - but that's the way the AP is. I have decided to take a leap of faith and shoot competitions next year with Indian pellets after observing this phenomenon all of this year. May be in hands of someone else this particular AP might even win a medal using R-10s or FInale Match. One can never say anything with certainty.

Anyway, not to take any credit away from namcmd - here's to him
namcmd, bro, I can only wish that you do get even better AR and shoot tighter groups with that. Good Luck.

[namcmd]

Hello,
Ph rifles very accurated in 10meter distance with paper target only, in first 100 shots, after you cannot shot with it. Again you need shot with PH, you need expert gunsmith, spring, piston seal, breach seal, Rear sight, Full set align key.

[SriramK]

Hello,
Ph rifles very accurated in 10meter distance with paper target only, in first 100 shots, after you cannot shot with it. Again you need shot with PH, you need expert gunsmith, spring, piston seal, breach seal, Rear sight, Full set align key.

Looking forward to hearing how it goes after you send it back for repairs Let's hope it's not a regular 100 shot breakdown period You should get it done asap so your warranty doesn't expire.

[namcmd]

SriramK,
What warranty? they are put the same type piston seal, spring, breach seal, sight etc. after some days or weeks rifle again show the same issue. I am going to change good spring, Piston seal,breach seal etc.our gunsmith not here, he come next week, then i will change all faulty parts. now rifle very low power, pellets hitting to Rat and down to ground, no penetration. my bad luck thats all.

[airgun_novice]

SriramK,
What warranty? they are put the same type piston seal, spring, breach seal, sight etc. after some days or weeks rifle again show the same issue. I am going to change good spring, Piston seal,breach seal etc.our gunsmith not here, he come next week, then i will change all faulty parts. now rifle very low power, pellets hitting to Rat and down to ground, no penetration. my bad luck thats all.

Dear namcmd,

Now I really am confused. Your claim to Orion not shooting well is due to:

1. Your Orion turns "faulty" and then shoots a real tight group - I would say approx half of #4 AR ring. So in short 1.5cm or about 0.5" with .22 gsmith speed/ impact pellets on AR target !
2. Looking at your flattened .22 cal pellets and the way they were flattened, I would guess well over 500 fps consistently. Yet you claim low "power". So high speed pellets travelling at over 500 fps are result of low power ?
3. At what distance was the rat you were aiming for ? Steady or moving ?
4. How do you know the rat was hit ? I mean seeing how you grouped *low* by pushing the rear sight all the way up at 10m leaves enough grounds for error of judgement. So could the pellet have hit the ground than the rat ? Nothing personal here.
5. Considering that the AR was in the same state after you shot that fantastic group, then the rat would have to be at 10m at the same height as the target for you to draw the conclusion. Isn't that right ?
6. BTW, is it advertised by PH that Orion can be used to kill rats ? In that case you can have a valid claim against the company as long as they do not mention the size of the rat.

Now as a user who claims that his money is down the drain after put on Orion -

1. I do not see your complaint to the dealer or directly to the company that we see on the forum. Please get in touch through the right channels for your grievance. Then let us know how it goes.
2. If you have really done so, what is the company's response ? Do you want me to follow your case with PH ? Like I said, I stay close by and don't mind sitting out a 'dharna' for you there. Others including your truly are getting their glitches sorted out by simple email and phone call though.
3. I am stymied by your selection of this Orion piece of yours in the first place. You claimed you tried 5-6 of them and they all had problems and yet you chose the one with the least ??? Who buys a thing like that ? That too the one running into thousands of rupees ? (Rs. 8-10K ?)
4. I now saw again the pictures where you have pointed out scratches and stuff - so why pick it up in the first place. Even if you did have a change of heart towards the Orion, momentarily & temporarily, you could have waited for a better piece. Right ?
5. At one place, I read how you advised the Twins gun-store to turn dealer for PH ARs. Is that how PH chooses its dealers ? Is that how gun stores immediately turn to apply to PH dealership ? Really Confused here am I.
6. Instead of choosing the Company's warranty, you choose your gunsmith who has not yet seen your Orion since he's away this week and yet claim that the innards are all defective ? You want to spend more money on a new (faulty as per your claim) product than what you spent already (out of what - charity?) replacing the seals and springs and what not - remember this is a gun that you utterly despised and still do - when you can simply return it for a full refund as long as the original piece is not tampered with. Why not ?

namcmd, as tight as the group is with Orion, I (and so am I sure others too) now see too many holes in your lament tale after going through related threads at random. Not sure what is at the other end of the rainbow for you for jumping on the bandwagon of PH bashing, but I hope it's worth your while. Apart from the fact that I now own a Pegasus (yes I had a glitch or two that has now been corrected by self and also shall take it to Ph for a lookover) and am very friendly with other Orion/ Pegasus/ Club owners/ users in this region and also with "no-airs & ground-to-earth" Doc, I have no further vested interests in PH operations or finances or anything remotely related to the Co. Nor do I hold any employment position or agency or any shares. But I did (and will so again) shake hands with a couple of PH employees and speak politely with 'em all. Does that count against me ? Let this be the last time I thus declare for all the various agents and alibis of the cartel of entity/ entities with ulterior motives. So let it be written. So let it be done. (Yul excuse me here)

So in spite of the fact that you appeared a bit allergic to my appreciation of your shooting skills, I still assume that it was free hand-held and would say "Good One, Bro!"

BTW, should your gunsmith be able to correctly identify the various original materials and their composition gone in the original and un-tampered Orion or Pegasus or Club, kindly convey to him my humble respect and salutations.

Best Regards,
A.

PS: Some one got mighty ticked off at Doc's picture (posted by me) where he's seen "turning a few screws". What do you expect ? A picture of the good Doc sitting along side a blacksmith's furnace with hammer and knocking off on the steel ? Get real !!! It's for IFG that he even agreed to *pose* in the first place - for us ! So modest he is that he does not toss his name around every now and then or his contribution to the cause. To those losers I only say this - "Do something good for shooting sports and gun industry in India first and then we shall splash your news and photos with pride." Now Ratan Tata did not go around gardens of Assam picking out tea leaves before turning the brand name TATA into the largest tea company in the world, did he ?

PPS: The Doc often says - "We shooters are a small community and not exactly appreciated or supported publicly in India. If we squabble among ourselves for petty reasons and selfish gains, the community and the sport will suffer." Those who don't know - he's offered his personal help and technical expertise in the past even to potential production rivals so they could bring quality products in Indian market at affordable prices. I am not going to name those folks for some of them are/ have been members of this group and are well-informed of Doc's ARs. He still is ready to reach out to those who did not quite take off in their endeavors. Now which selfish person would want other quality products to rival his own in the market ? Only an unselfish guy who's keen on spreading the sport, right ? I have mentioned some place that he holds great respect not only among the cream of Indian shooting but also internationally. Only such an Indian would turn down an offer from a foreign company to market his ARs under their brand name at international level - where there were big bucks to be made instead. If this does not tell you about the personal trait and character of the man then nothing will. Let those whose (Indian) gun products have thus been appreciated and had international offers pour in pick up the proverbial first stone. Any takers ?

PPPS: Before the same motley crowd - rather cartel - get (ad nausea) AGAIN & AGAIN into "Why is AGN writing good things about PH & the Doc - he must be PH agent or something such", my request is "Please spruce up your fantasy and imagination into something like - AGN has been gifted a private yatch or an Embraer by 'THEM'." On the serious side - didn't I say I am friendly with the Doc & a couple of guys from PH and also a few fellow IFGian who are owners and users of PH products ? Didn't I write I am very happy with my Pegasus ? Didn't I say I am the guy who calls spade a spade ? But I never said I am an acclaimed expert on guns and so never spoke of fit or finish. But I say this now - PH Pegasus is perfectly fit for me and my 11-year old daughter. I cherish it even more for it being a birthday gift from my Mom.

Oh and didn't I mention that I didn't jump the queue - though I could have.

BTW, still somewhat curious about "our gunsmith" part - why not "my gunsmith" or "the gunsmith here" ??? Never mynnddd ittt !!!

[namcmd]

Dear airgun_novice,
I have allready posted my orion faults in this tread, and this site with clear images. Please read that. i cannot type again and again the same words. the grouping was good, but i shoot my all AR with this grouping.
"our gunsmith" : i am very poor in english language, and realy i dont know "our gunsmith" word is badword.

[airgun_novice]

Dear airgun_novice,
I have allready posted my orion faults in this tread, and this site with clear images. Please read that. i cannot type again and again the same words. the grouping was good, but i shoot my all AR with this grouping.
"our gunsmith" : i am very poor in english language, and realy i dont know "our gunsmith" word is badword.

Dear namcmd, That's mighty nice of you to frankly accept your shortcomings in English. But somehow one gets the impression that English is not the only sector you are poor in. Never mind. To each his own. I saw your pictures; hence the shock at the choice & purchase. I would not touch a similarly scratched Weirhauch for its full price... But like I said, good luck to you and your search for a better AR. But should you choose to persist with your Orion, share with us the changes you undertake and the resultant. Wish you well. Good Luck.

[Boomshiva]

Guys, let's stop bickering and deal with things constructively. I bought the Orion as a "starter", as it is my first air rifle and a good way to practice before I move on to other more advanced airguns. I will not compare the Precihole with a Rs.50,000 plus foreign rifle because it is not meant to compete with them. Instead, I chose it because it is far and away ahead of other locally made guns, and the best value for money in its class. Think back to the 1980s, when we were all forced to drive ancient Ambassadors and Fiats. In this scenario, the Precihole is not a swanky Mercedes, it is the Maruti which came into the market and shook things up for the better.

My gun has issues. As a new member of the shooting community, I was disappointed, but chose to directly contact Precihole, and their response so far has been exemplary in terms of accepting the defect and offering full repairs or replacement within a couple of days, after Dr. Shirsat himself has had a look at it. This is a very positive sign for all Precihole owners and unlike any other Indian manufacturer I have come across.

Namcmd, I suggest you get in touch with Precihole directly by email to [email protected] or [email protected], and detail your problems to them. Either they will fix it, so you are happy. Or you can ask for a refund, so you don't feel cheated out of your money. If for whatever reason, they do not address your problem, then please alert us all so we are aware. But it will definitely get you further than your present course of action.

Best Regards

[brihacharan]

[quote="AbbasRiz"]
MY point is this. Whosoever be the dealer, if they sell an IHP or PreciHole Air Rifle, they must mention the serial number of the concerned AR in the Invoice itself, irrespective of whether it is mentioned in warranty card or not.
Briha

[AbbasRiz]

MY point is this. Whosoever be the dealer, if they sell an IHP or PreciHole Air Rifle, they must mention the serial number of the concerned AR in the Invoice itself, irrespective of whether it is mentioned in warranty card or not.
Briha

Thanks Briha Ji,
Regards,
Abbas

[Katana]

I've got to say this, the guys at Precihole are a decent bunch. I ordered an Orion through a Bombay dealer. 20 shots down the line the trigger stopped working or jammed or whatever. I spoke to them, keeping the company in the loop. The lady who co-ordinates all this at PS asked me to send it back, freight 'to-pay'. A week down the line I receive an altogether new piece, freight paid.

The AR itself is no great shakes. Not worth all the hype about it. But one thing is sure, their idea of building relations with people like us seems to be sure footed. And they have the capacity to improve on their products. I saw two pieces from different batches, and there is a marked difference in their manufacture.

One day, I won't be surprised if they would be making firearms, and that they would sell worldwide.

[Boomshiva]

Update: I guess the trigger issue is a design defect because I had exactly the same problem. I haven't gotten my rifle back yet, but yesterday Dr. Shirsat himself spoke to me. He says there was a problem with the safety, which jammed the trigger. He has personally checked out the rifle, replaced all parts, including the spring and promised to give it back tomorrow. I appreciate this kind of personal attention to the customer. The rifle and Precihole are new in the market, so hiccups are inevitable. But their response to the problem has been a very positive thing so far. Waiting to get the rifle back now and will post how that goes.